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Post-election blues

Hi Green Commons,

It’s been eerily quiet here since Tuesday night. I’ve been quiet mostly because I just didn’t know what to say. The election results are certainly a blow to pretty much everything we’ve been working for. There is so much we don’t know about things might play out, but I’m feeling a range of emotions ranging from discouraged to downright terrified.

I think we need to reckon with the fact that the Biden-Harris administration took real action to address climate change—a first!—and got punished for it at the polls. I don’t know that many people were reacting specifically against that investment, but they certainly didn’t value it.

It’s not surprising, I guess, that people’s immediate, day-to-day concerns took precedence over the slow-moving climate disaster. I don’t know how we can break through that inherent headwind.

None of this changes the fact that our work on sustainability in the built environment is critical, and that we’ve been making progress (albeit not fast enough). Whatever the government does or doesn’t do, there will be a need for well-informed advocacy. And where the public sector falters, the private sector often steps in.

So yes, it’s discouraging. But it’s not a time to ease up. Most importantly, it’s a time when we can lean into and support each other as we feel all the feelings and try to figure out our next steps.

So, thank you all for being here, and doing what you’re doing. As always, let me know how I can help (and I’ll do the same back to you, as soon as I figure that out!).

Yours, Nadav

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Fri, 11/08/2024 - 17:17

Thank you Nadav - well said - as Ms Harris noted the fight is not over!

Fri, 11/08/2024 - 18:26

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Fri, 11/08/2024 - 18:32

Thank you Nadav, I am thankful that many of us will get to be in community with each other next week.

Fri, 11/08/2024 - 19:09

Nadav, and all, Living in Asheville, NC, I have recently lived through the severe impact of climate change. I am terrified for future generations, and absolutely bewildered by those who vote against their own self-interest. In the wake of Helene I heard a local resident, dealing with devastation and damage, complaining that “some people are trying to make this political” by talking about a “green agenda”. Simply providing education to the public is clearly not enough. I’m working with others here to figure out how we can make headway. Knowing this group will continue to be here as a resource when some avenues of support might vanish is a real help. Betsy Betsy del Monte, FAIA, LEED BD+C Architect & Consultant, CameronMacallister Lecturer, Clemson School of Architecture, SMU Lyle School of Engineering 214-850-1248 On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 1:52 PM Patty Lloyd wrote:

Fri, 11/08/2024 - 21:43

Hi dear friends and colleagues: Thanks to Nadav for initiating this conversation. Our community means so much to me at all times and especially now as we face another - and worse - round of Trump attacks. That being said I have faith that we will push forward to "Get Shit Done" as the late and great Marsha Maytum would say. I'm sorry to miss seeing many of you at Greenbuild. Sending a virtual hug to all. Mary Ann Mary Ann Lazarus maryannlazarus2@gmail.com mobile: 314.805.9332 On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 1:12 PM Betsy del Monte wrote:

Fri, 11/08/2024 - 21:53

I have faith in our community. We sometimes do our best work in times of adversity. As a reminder - Ed Mazria came out with the 2030 challenge in the midst of the Bush second term. And the COTE toolkit was created and became a catalyst during the first Trump term.  In the words of MLK: I know, somehow, that only when it is dark enough, can you see the stars.

Fri, 11/08/2024 - 22:53

Thanks so much for these thoughts, Nadav and others. Here's a link to my "thoughts from the chair" that we're included with the HPDC Newsletter that just came out...similar sentiments. https://www.hpd-collaborative.org/thoughts-from-the-chair-fall-2024/ I can't wait to be with many of you next week. Mike Manzi He/Him Bora Architecture & Interiors Main: 503 226 1575 Direct: 503 802 5007

Sat, 11/09/2024 - 12:13

  Hi friends. I'm so appreciative of this space, and you all. Looking forward to seeing many of you, this coming week. I read an article that resonated in the aftermath of the election and thought maybe I'd share some excerpts: 
  • Good psychology is good social change.
  • Authoritarian power is derived from fear of repression, isolation from each other and exhaustion at the utter chaos. 
  • So, we have to pay attention to our inner states, and don’t perpetuate the autocrat’s goals of fear, isolation, exhaustion or constant disorientation.
  • Trust yourself, and be trustworthy. not just with information, but with emotions. ​
  • Find others you can trust. Use that trust to explore your own thinking and support each other to stay sharp and grounded.
  • Grieve and name the things we have lost as a pathway to acceptance. ​​
  • Release that which you cannot change. what are issues you’ll throw down on, do a lot for, a little for, or — despite caring about it — do nothing at all for? That last question can feel like a kind of torture for many activists, even while we’re intellectually aware that we cannot stop it all.
  • ​find your path. Building Alternatives.” We can’t just be stuck reacting and stopping the bad. We have to have a vision
  • ​do not obey in advance or self-censor. Use the political space and voice you have. 
  • ​reorient your political map. When you’re out of power, it’s easy to unify — but their coalition’s cracks will quickly emerge. We have to stay sharp for opportunities to cleave off support.
  • ​get real about power. Removing one pillar of support can often gain major, life-saving concessions but This tipping point of mass noncooperation will be messy. It means convincing a lot of people to take huge personal risks for a better option. 
  • Handle fear. Make threats of violence rebound. Making political violence rebound requires refusing to be intimidated and resisting those threats so they can backfire.
  • Envision a positive future. zoom out further to the lifespans of trees and rocks, heading into spiritual reminders that nothing lasts forever.
     
full article here: https://wagingnonviolence.org/2024/11/10-things-to-do-if-trump-wins/  

Mon, 11/11/2024 - 19:39

The concerns shared are very real.  I wanted to collect some observations that are helping me regain my own footing, with the thought that others might find them helpful as well... Things do look grim, and they are grim for those being targeted.  Let's help them, let's stay on guard for how things could get much worse, but let's never feel disheartened. Let's be fearless. As Paul Hawken has said, "I am not a big fan of hope. Hope is the mask of fear. We need to be fierce and fearless, not hopeful."

Mon, 11/11/2024 - 21:00

"Be fierce" and "build community":  I'm going to hang onto those words for a long time - a hell of a lot longer than four short years!  

Mon, 11/11/2024 - 22:04

I really appreciated Nadav's post ... and the subsequent posts, including Z's. While I hoped for a different outcome, I was not shocked, given the world order, the US economy (and especially its present feel to people who are not in the 1%), and the messaging and actions of the Democrats in the past 5 years. From where I sit (and I recognize that some of this may be unpopular), the party has gone deep special interest and the unraveling right just lapped it up (see Z's point about the gargantuan $ spent on trans-related attack ads; as someone whose sports feed is in MO/KS, I saw a lot of those, ugh). Advocating for racially based rules was always going to bite back: these are not constitutional or legal, in many cases, and they exclude many disadvantaged folks who are hurting (and are welcomed by the party who is comfortable pretending to have their interests in mind). The victimization culture and the nanny state rules and language gymnastics are all things that ultimately cater to the hard left who are invested more in performative acts than meaningful change.  (Spiraling about racism and sexism as the "reason" for this defeat plays right into this pathology, IMO.) If we care about the party, we have to help with some deep soul searching -- or we will risk not being competitive in nationwide races (regularly, or maybe ever, given demographics and Electoral College, etc.). If we learned anything from this decisive defeat, I hope it was that.I would suggest letting the voices of Dem leaders in purple and red states take the podium; the progressive wing of the Dems could learn from them.   I disagree with Z that this is not a referendum on climate action and climate justice. I think it is ... but I think the call to action is for us to frame it better and more inclusively. Climate action and climate justice is about economics, communities, and quality of life. We cannot afford to let people sideline those things into a special interest matter. We have let the right make a mockery of it, even when big business knows better. We know they won't gut the IRA completely, since so much of that was geared to businesses in red states. We know what to do when the feds are working in the other direction. In fact, the cities and states stepped up in a big way in 2016 and in many ways they are even better equipped now to use their power. Not only that, we are better equipped now, too. We know how to be fierce and fearless ... we have spent the last decade or more expanding the agency of the built environment community to include advocacy at all scales, and it is working. And the U.S. (as Z alludes) is a big, loud circus, but we are not the only circus in town. The momentum of global climate action and climate justice cannot be halted by one man and his MAGA minions. That ball is already rolling. It's our job to help prove to other sectors the immense value of resilient and regenerative design. And while I'm in strange territory (disagreeing with Z!), I might as well plow forward with new group. I recently saw an interview with Bjarke Ingels, not someone I've ever had occasion to quote. He was talking about sustainability in design and how to reconcile conflicts. But I read this quote again after the election and it range a little differently for me: Very often, you should remind yourself that the dichotomies or the conflicts that we see out there, once you look closer and maybe deeper into the issues, the different interests, even if seemingly at odds or in conflict with each other, there is a way to find them perfectly aligned towards a new and more holistic, integrated future. Here's to our common living future, friends. Seatbelts recommended ... but I think we know what to do. Let's get to it.  

Mon, 11/11/2024 - 22:40

The Democratic party did not make public our vision for a healthier, resilient, cleaner, and more prosperous world - or articulate it well at all.  That IS what we are capable of creating!  If the public really understood what is possible (not only necessary) they would want it. "Climate" needs to be a front and center issue.  It was hidden this time around, AGAIN. The time is ripe for a Climate Warrior candidate to emerge in the next four years!  There is no need for a canditate to play centrist (or quiet) on this one anymore - as long as they address how to transition those fairly that are still on the old system. I agree this result was not a referendum on climate issues. Also think there is potentially some kind of alignment possible with the new movement growing in conservative circles to address farming/nutrition, toxicty in our modern society, and over medicated health care system... Thank you deeply for sharing your insights and really looking forward to seeing you at Greenbuild....  

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