I think the previous CIR process (precedent setting) was key in the evolution of the current version of the LEED rating system and having them available in a public database was extremely useful for LEED teams. I got many answers to my project challenges through that CIR database. And we were also able to apply a specific ruling to all projects of similar type.
So I am really glad they are reintroducing the precedent setting concept of LEED interpretations and I surely hope to use it.
However, from the description above, it is unclear to me as to how this new 'layer' of LEED interpretation is different from the previous CIR process. What is the reason for having the non-precedent setting CIR as well as precedent setting LEED interpretations? What will make me choose to go with one or the other? I hope these questions are answered and the distinction between the two will be clarified as this process evolves.
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Tristan Roberts
RepresentativeVermont House of Representatives
LEEDuser Expert
11477 thumbs up
August 31, 2010 - 1:28 pm
The answers to your questions are up for debate right now as USGBC sorts out this process. However, my guess is that the precedent-setting interpretations will cost a bit more, and take a bit longer, so if you want a faster answer just for your project, you may prefer to continue with the existing CIRs.I have heard one practitioner speculate that they might seek a quick CIR ruling on something, and if it's favorable and they want to use it on other projects, perhaps it would be worthwhile to get a LEED Interpretation for the same question.
Vijaya Yellamraju
PrincipalGreen Potential
August 31, 2010 - 1:40 pm
Thanks, Tristan. I understand the quick-turnaround versus longer/costlier difference and it does make sense at some level. My concern is that the cost of paying twice - once for quick CIR and again for LEED interpretation may make people wary of pursuing both.
Anyways, I know that this is still being resolved and there are a number of variables to be considered, so we'll just have to wait and see what is eventually rolled out.
April Ambrose
Business Development ManagerEntegrity
230 thumbs up
September 1, 2010 - 10:01 am
We hated the CIR database. While it was helpful to find answers to our questions, there was no possible way for us to be beholden to every decision made that way. We became like lawyers having to know every precedent setting decision. We actually got a credit denied because of a CIR that we had searched for and couldn't find in their bad web interface. So, I like the option of paying for an interpretation, but any changes that must be implemented across the board, should come out in the errata/addenda. We should not be required to memorize a constantly changing database.
Kim Shinn
Executive Principal and Senior WizardTLC Engineering Solutions
80 thumbs up
September 1, 2010 - 10:09 am
I agree that "LEED Interpretations" need to be done through the addendum process. Consolidate the LEED information in one place - the LEED rating systems and reference guides.
Brian Kaplan
AssociateSTUDIOS architecture
1 thumbs up
September 1, 2010 - 10:45 am
I agree with Brittany and Kim. The research of CIRs was tedious at best. LEED addenda should be compiled and published on a regular schedule within the LEED system update schedule.
Bethany Beers
Sustainable Technologies ManagerFarnsworth Group, Inc.
24 thumbs up
September 1, 2010 - 10:52 am
I had mixed feelings about the precedent setting process. While CIRs are very useful for unique circumstances, making them "precedent setting" sometimes created unnecessary challenges in the past. On a few projects, we had issues of having credits denied because of some CIR that was out there that either 1) we were unaware of (because of the bad user interface) or 2) wasn't appropriate for our project but USGBC wanted us to comply with the ruling anyways.
Dan Ackerstein
PrincipalAckerstein Sustainability, LLC
LEEDuser Expert
819 thumbs up
September 1, 2010 - 12:45 pm
I also have mixed feelings on the merits of this issue - on the one hand, the absence of precedent-setting CIRs has been fairly crippling to entities with large building portfolios who need to know that their approach to a problem will be reviewed consistently across multiple buildings. On the other hand, the analogy with requiring projects to be lawyerly in their interpretation of precedent-setting CIR 'case law' is spot-on, and that was really challenging. In addition, that challenge affected the way that CIRs were answered in the past as TAGs had to often draft tortured responses to protect against misinterpretation by other projects with slightly altered circumstances. But what I am particularly pleased about is the message this sends - the USGBC/GBCI showing added agility and flexibility in changing program offerings and approaches to improve effectiveness. I feel like this willingness to respond, adapt and experiment bodes very well for the continued success of LEED.
Roxanne Button
Architect & Sustainable Design Consultant, AIA, MRAIC, LEED APDesign Synergies Architecture
65 thumbs up
September 2, 2010 - 3:28 pm
I agree with Dan - this does send a positive message. The CIR database may have been clumsy and frustrating to navigate but at least they didn't charge us to look through it. I'm having a difficult time in convincing some of my clients that LEED certification is worth the expense without having USGBC come up with one more thing to charge a fee for. I know it's a small fee in relation to the bigger picture, but it plays into the opinion that USGBC is out to make money and that is getting harder and harder to defend. It's no fun being the messenger!
If they could somehow tie the CIR database to LEED Online in a better way, so you could click on a button while you're already within a credit description and see what applies to that credit, that might be more useful.
I also like the idea of compiling them all into LEED addenda, but my concern is how often that would be issued. Sometimes you just need an answer quickly and having to wait for a monthly or quarterly addendum isn't going to help.