I have a NCv2009 project that is a dormitory on a college campus.
This is a case where the reference guide and LEED Online do not seem to match. We have a dormitory project that is not allowing smoking on site or in the building. According to the "CASE 1: All Projects" it seems any project can prohibit smoking inside the building. However, according to "CASE 2: Residential and Hospitality Projects Only" we are required to do blower-door testing on each unit. So, I expected from the reference guide that we could simply prohibit smoking in the building.
Now, when I went to LEED Online, it asks me if this is a residential project. When I say yes, it tells me to enter the results of the blower door test. So, this makes me think that USGBC assumes students will smoke in their rooms regardless of the building policy.
Here on LEEDUser it says that any project can prohibit smoking in the building, but LEEDOnline seems to say differently. Which way is it?
I really don't know how to proceed. Design is done. Construction starts tomorrow. We were planning to submit our design review tomorrow. I could submit this with alternative compliance to say it is not residential for the purposes of this credit as there is no smoking in the building. If they deny the credit we'll just have to defer it to the construction phase anyway. I'll likely be working on a backup plan in the meantime.
Tristan Roberts
RepresentativeVermont House of Representatives
LEEDuser Expert
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January 27, 2010 - 8:32 am
It's very interesting to see how LEED Online is interpreting this. I would have thought from the credit language and other sources that a residential project has the prerogative to prohibit smoking—but maybe not? I'm checking up on this with one of our experts.
Ben Stanley
Senior Sustainability ManagerWSP - Built Ecology
LEEDuser Expert
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January 29, 2010 - 12:47 pm
Brittany,
There is enough ambiguity here that submitting a CIR could be the best option for your team. There are two factors that lead me to believe that your approach of a non-smoking building should be accepted without the added burden of meeting the residential leakage requirements and blower door testing. First, we have had a number of residential buildings meet this prerequisite via a no-smoking policy in LEED NCv2.2 and the only thing that has changed from v2.2 to v3 is that the rating system language changed from a series of "Options" to a series of "Cases". So, very small change but could be problematic given the way the submittal form is laid out. Second, as a dormitory, building management has additional control over the activities in the residential units. Assuming that the non-smoking policy is actively enforced by building management or other means, your team can submit with greater confidence that the smoking policy will be adhered to and therefore the credit intent is met without demonstrating acceptable sealing to isolate ETS. There won't be any ETS the vast majority of the time accept for the occasional rule breaker but I wouldn't bring them up in your CIR.
As an alternative to the CIR you could fill in the submittal form as if there were no residential units and include a narrative describing the specific circumstances of the project and why it should fall in to Case 1. No guarantees here but the worst that would probably happen is that the review team doesn't buy it and makes you show compliance with Case 2 during the construction submission. Still, the CIR seems like a better path given that this is a prerequisite and I tend to be risk adverse.
It's a tough problem and we'd love to hear about the outcome.
April Ambrose
Business Development ManagerEntegrity
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August 26, 2010 - 12:02 pm
They approved the credit as is without us having to do testing. We simply stated that there was no smoking in the building!
Udana Ratnayake
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March 10, 2011 - 2:23 am
we are working on a resort project that consists of 30 chalet type buildings situated in an area of 11 acres. the distance between each chalet is more than 25 feet and that complies the LEED requirement of having a distance of at least 25 feet from air intakes. smoking will only be prohibited in public areas of the project and will be allowed inside chalets. does this meet the credit requirements as the chalets are situated 25 feet away from each other?
Tristan Roberts
RepresentativeVermont House of Representatives
LEEDuser Expert
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March 10, 2011 - 10:49 pm
Udana, I would say so, assuming that LEED-NC is the correct rating system here, and not LEED for Homes.
Udana Ratnayake
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March 11, 2011 - 1:02 am
Thanks Tristan. but in the LEED online form when we select that there are residential units it asks to upload the results of blower door tests. so do we have to document this under special circumstances or is it a must to conduct blower door tests for hospitality projects?
Tristan Roberts
RepresentativeVermont House of Representatives
LEEDuser Expert
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March 11, 2011 - 8:58 am
This is definitely a "special circumstance"... and I should add that it will work in my opinion, but since it's a little out of the ordinary, I couldn't say for sure.