Does the flow rate to be specified in the online template for all the kitchen/public and private lavatory faucets/showerheads to be at a specific PSI? For. eg. the showerhead used in the building works at say 40 PSI with a flow rate of 2 GPM (which is our design case) but the flow rate changes to 4 GPM at 80 PSI.The UPC AND IPC are stated at 60/80 PSI.So which value do I input ,the actual onsite faucet usage at 40 PSI or matching it with the base case at 80 PSI?In case I can use the actual design case at 40 PSI ,is there any requirement to provide the pressure testing report to USGBC? Please help!
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Dan Ackerstein
PrincipalAckerstein Sustainability, LLC
LEEDuser Expert
819 thumbs up
July 27, 2010 - 11:51 pm
Fascinating question Shilpi. I think that ultimately the intent of the USGBC is to measure the amount of water your fixture uses relative to a standard fixture. If an IPC-compliant faucet uses 0.5 gallons for a 15-second handwash, the bottom line is how much water your faucet uses for the same wash. If the reality of your building is that you operate the building with low water pressure (intentionally and permanently) and therefore use X gallons of water for that handwash, you should accurately depict your building in the template and explain your situation in detail. I think it makes sense, but, as always when you're working outside the box, the burden of proof will be on you to make a convincing argument.
Yong Lee Low
ESD ConsultancyZEB-Technology Pte Ltd
179 thumbs up
July 29, 2010 - 6:34 am
Sorry, Can I again Check with you and please kindly correct me if I am Wrong. So, is it like I am definitely required to consider the gpm corresponding to the PSi as specified by LEED. My manufacturer data has a PSi different from the one suggested by IPC.
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Tristan Roberts
RepresentativeVermont House of Representatives
LEEDuser Expert
11477 thumbs up
August 5, 2010 - 9:13 pm
Yes, you should use your actual GPM rate based on your PSI. In other words, how much water do you actually use? That is the basis of the credit.
Jean Marais
b.i.g. Bechtold DesignBuilder Expert832 thumbs up
August 6, 2010 - 7:05 am
I'm not so sure this is correct. At a specific pressure, a specific flow will issue from the fixture. If the intent is a percentage improvement against a baseline fixture, and the baseline flowrates are specified at a set pressure, then you'll need to supply the flowrate of your design fixtures at also the same pressure as the baseline. Otherwise you could argue that installing a baseline fixture in your facility will cause a smaller water consumption than your design fixure choice.
Dan Ackerstein
PrincipalAckerstein Sustainability, LLC
LEEDuser Expert
819 thumbs up
August 6, 2010 - 2:25 pm
It's an interesting point Jean. I guess it comes down to determining if an alternative way to achieve the intent of this credit is to focus on water pressure rather than fixture flow/flush rates. Either one has the ability to reduce water use per flow/flush, which is the ultimate intent of the credit. That being said, its an entirely different compliance path than is imagined by EBOM, so one would have to be keenly aware that GBCI may choose not to approve it for a variety of reasons. As is often the case, there's the tried-and-true route, and then there's alternatives that require a careful balancing of risk/reward before they're embarked upon. . .
Yong Lee Low
ESD ConsultancyZEB-Technology Pte Ltd
179 thumbs up
August 18, 2010 - 5:53 am
Thankyou Tristan.The LEED online template does not require to upload the pressure at which the fitting is tested,so i can upload my GPM based on my PSI. But logically, the more the pressure more is he amount of water dispensed form the fitting. For Eg.,if my fitting is tested at 70psi (against the specified 80 psi), the gpm/min would be less than if it is tested at 80psi. Please advice.Though, we dont have to furnish the psi in LEED online, I believe that the test report has to be uploaded.
Jenny Carney
Vice PresidentWSP
LEEDuser Expert
657 thumbs up
August 18, 2010 - 11:45 am
You will need to upload manufacturer data verifying the flow rate and pressure if it's different from the UPC/IPC values, and a good reviewer should notice that the testing associated with that value is not at the standard PSI. I agree with Dan that if you aren't able to report flow at the specified PSI, you should expect to either pre-vet your strategy through a CRI or be prepared for clarifications during the review process.