If a project was certified under the first version of LEED-EB:O&M and was not REQUIRED to recertify, is the project considered "certified in perpetuity"?
If project does not recertify under EBOM, can an interior renovation project be registered as a LEED-CI if it meets all minimum requirements?
Barry Giles
Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM FellowBuildingWise LLC
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September 25, 2013 - 6:01 pm
Kath (long time no talk). Well you've asked a very 'moral' question. In reality the LEED police are not going to come and tear the old plaque off the wall once five years has passed by....and I know of a few LEED EB V2 buildings who still 'proudly' display the plaque...but in 'perpetuity'?. No doubt the USGBC will not let that pass.
A LEED CI is a LEED CI and can be completed in a LEED or non-LEED building...however I question if you will get the 'points' in SSc1 option 1 (Version 3) for completing a LEED CI in a LEED building.
So then, (this is why you asked the question)...if you can take SSc1 Option 1 in a LEED NC building...that could be 5 years or more old...why can't you take it in a LEED EB building that's over five years.
Kath Williams
LEED Fellow 2011, PrincipalKath Williams + Associates
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September 25, 2013 - 6:58 pm
Thanks, Barry! It is a moral question in more than one way. Struggling here...and advice or answer to the last question on being beyond five years?
Barry Giles
Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM FellowBuildingWise LLC
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September 25, 2013 - 7:18 pm
Has to be a direct question to GBCI and let them mull it over for a while...sets a precedent that would be difficult to unwind. Let us all know what result you get. Regards
Kath Williams
LEED Fellow 2011, PrincipalKath Williams + Associates
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September 25, 2013 - 7:21 pm
Did just that...today. Will post response and the client's reaction!
See you at Greenbuild!
Tristan Roberts
RepresentativeVermont House of Representatives
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September 26, 2013 - 2:27 pm
I think a simpler answer to this question is to say that XYX building in this case "was LEED-EB certified in 20xx." If there was no recert requirement at the time, then it also seems perfectly fair to say that XYZ building "is LEED certified," or more accurately and fairly perhaps, "is LEED certified under LEED-EB v1.0" or whatever version. The question that you asked, Kath, with the wording "certified in perpetuity," seems much more loaded and I would not think it really in the spirit of LEED to use language like that—not thaty you were going to.I think over time we'll see that older buildings not staying up to date in LEED might fall out of databases of certified buildings or other public benchmarks of LEED.
Kath Williams
LEED Fellow 2011, PrincipalKath Williams + Associates
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September 26, 2013 - 4:17 pm
Thanks, Tristan. Clients and design teams seem to be using "certified in perpetuity" in the same vein as LEED-APs who have chosen not to enter Credential Maintenance Program (CMP) are saying "Legacy LEED-AP."
Agreed. Not in the LEED spirit at all!