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LBC Red List Vetting Procees

Hey group,

I'm part of the contractor team on a large commercial project pursuing LBC v3.1 Petal Certification, with one of those petals being materials. This requires the team to meet Imperative 10 Red List.

 

The ownership group has taken the responsibility of red list vetting as a task of their own. The construction team is to give products to the ownership group to vet for compliance and advise on the application & cost of product alternatives when the preferred product isn't compliant.

 

I'm looking to see if any of you contractors have had experience with the Red List, and lessons learned you can share (spec sections that require extra attention, processing ideas, etc). I'd appreciate any feedback. 

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Thu, 11/21/2019 - 12:46

One tool that could help is Red2Green. They have a database of compliant materials and can help organize / track.

Thu, 11/21/2019 - 15:10

I'd be happy to set up a call and share some strategies from my experience working on the Materials Petal. buckmasterj@hdcco.com

Thu, 11/21/2019 - 16:31

I’d be happy to join that call as well to share experiences. John M jmlade@wightco.com F

Fri, 11/22/2019 - 15:00

Agree that Red2Green is a good option. Seems to be used in a lot of the LBC projects. IES is often materials selection consultant on those projects, though you can use Red2Green w/o IES. I reach out to Matt (below) when I have a question. A good materials consultant and/or spec writer (IES, TT, Kalin Associates) will already know problem categories and recommended products for common building materials. Two other quick thoughts are – start early (this process takes a lot of time) and collect pre-submittals (initial materials submittals based on what is expected, not actually for approval, that allow research to start) – you’ll have a much easier time with construction materials and likely have to / want to skip any specialty equipment (theater equipment, IT & security infrastructure, etc.) where they’re being selected by specialty consultants looking for very specific performance requirements. We’ve tried / are trying on a few projects and tend to start with the highest volume / most direct contact with occupants. Makes it a lot harder to provide 3 equals / not sole source in some sections. Good luck and please share how it goes. A contact at IES… MATT ROOT, Senior Project Manager Integrated Eco Strategy, LLC 508-887-5253 mroot@integratedecostrategy.com integratedecostrategy.com Nathan Gauthier, Director – FM Integration and Sustainability E ngauthier@shawmut.com | C 617-515-6305 From: Madelin

Fri, 11/22/2019 - 18:27

Thanks all! Jessie & John, I'll shoot an email over to both of you outside of this.

Mon, 12/02/2019 - 15:39

A comment from one of my project engineers working on our LBC project.  Spec sections that require extra attention: from my experience. -Steel: Getting all information from the mills that extract the raw material took awhile. Getting exact ingredients list was hard. -Interior Structural and Non Structural Steel: a lot of the products by themselves are fine, the coating and finish coats are what caused us problems. In the end we figured out that the Chromium VI was apart of the process and was then not considered LBC non-compliant.  -Grouts, Sealants, Adhesives: These products tend to take a while. A lot are non-complaint because of the ingredients within them. MAKE SURE TO VET 3 manufacturers off the bat. I went through months and months getting 3 manufacturers for grout and making comparison charts and we ended up going with the “system” approach. We chose to use one system (Mapei) in order for color matching, warranty and overall quality of product. It’s very helpful to put together a comparison chart in order to defend your chosen product. MAKE SURE YOUR PRODUCT HAS CDPH TESTING’S. A lot of products we were wanting to use and why we had to make charts is because some products would only have VOC testing’s and others would only have CDPH and not a lot would have both. -HM Doors and Frames: Getting all information exposed has been hard. The doors themselves are not the problem it was the insulation and the R-Value that we needed to meet that caused the headache. The manufacturer either didn’t have the insulation info or wasn’t willing to give it to us, so we ended up using a insulation we had previously approved from another scope of work. -Door Hardware: VET 3 MANUFACTURERS OFF THE BAT. This is one we are still working through, I am seeing a lot of expired Declare labels and no new ones being put out. -Aluminum Storefront and Glass: Had a hard time getting all of the components in the storefront and glass listed out. At first they provided a overall letter stating it’s Red List Compliant with no ingredients listed. Then we were able to get some ingredients, but it set us back even more because we then had to make sure they listed out each components and those components ingredients list.  

Tue, 12/03/2019 - 16:29

Thanks April, that was some awesome information. I appreciate the help!

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