Has anyone ever used local equivalents instead of the Energy Star rating?
ID#1492 states that we can use local equivalents.
The EU energy rating is the local standard here whereby equipments are rated by A++, A+, A, B, C ... How can we determine which rating would GBCI deem equivalent to Energy Star?
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Tristan Roberts
RepresentativeVermont House of Representatives
LEEDuser Expert
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November 3, 2013 - 11:06 pm
I don't know, but perhaps this might help: Energy Star aims to capture about 20% of the market in a certain product area. If more than 50% of the market starts to be compliant with Energy Star, the program raises the bar. Perhaps this rough benchmark of the Energy Star mission, along with specifications on specific equipment that you are looking at, could be helpful.
Kevin Sullivan
DirectorLeap Sustainability Design Consulting
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January 8, 2014 - 6:04 am
Hi, in relation to the point discussed above I have a query. We are doing a project in India and most of the products available there are BEE Star Rated, an energy efficiency rating standard implemented by the Indian government. Wanted to know how can BEE star rating be compared with the Energy Star rating and how to document these products?
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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January 8, 2014 - 9:26 am
I would create a table that contains the Energy Star, BEE Star and actual kWh/year value for each applicable item to enable a comparison. I would also reach out to the BEE Star folks to see if they could help you with a comparison.
Suzanne Painter-Supplee, LEED AP+ID&C
PrincipalSEESolutions LLC
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January 8, 2014 - 12:02 pm
Consortium for Energy Efficiency has Energy Star & standards information. PLEASE keep in mind that for some products, PART of Energy Star pertains to water usage too, since you are paying to heat or cool water with some appliances. Therefore, you may find what you need here:
http://www.cee1.org/content/cee-program-resources
You didn't say what the product category is, but if it is commercial kitchen equipment, Kim Erickson is a wonderful resource there. Also if commercial kitchen equipment, go to fishnick.com and look for the .xls LEED Prescriptive Measures. Hope it helps.
Emmanuel Pauwels
OwnerGreen Living Projects
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June 17, 2014 - 11:30 am
We are choosing a dishwasher and a refrigerator for a project in Europe. This equipment uses the EU rating A,A+,etc.. According to the reply of Marc it is sufficient to compare kwh/year, something we could do. But when I look at the ACPs it says a comparison is required using modified energy factor, water factor, product capacity, Energy Factor, Stanby Power, volume of water per cycle, energy use per year, Energy Efficiency ratio and Testing protocols. That seems a lot and not feasible. On the other hand in LEED V4, you need to compare the info that is on the Energy Star website. For refrigerators this is kwh/year. In the end we are not sure how to go about this. Anyone any experience with including the European certification to comply? Also, we have difficulty finding European models of refrigerators and dishwashers with Energy Star label since they only need to comply with the EU energy rating.
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
LEEDuser Expert
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June 17, 2014 - 11:46 am
Some of these factors only apply to certain appliances so you would need to include them if it applies. For example the only ones that apply to a refrigerator are capacity (you would obviously not compare a very large one to a very small one) and energy use per year. So for a refrigerator and many other appliance all you really do is compare equivalent product's kWh/year.
More of the factors you list apply to the dishwasher because it also uses water. Some of them only apply to HVAC equipment. Some only to water heaters. In the ACP they are not asking you to compare all of these for each appliance, just the ones that apply.
Emmanuel Pauwels
OwnerGreen Living Projects
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June 18, 2014 - 4:29 am
Thank you Marcus, that is very useful information. For the refrigerator we will compare size and kwh/year which is also what the Energy Star website lists. Not sure if they will ask about the testing protocol to determine that consumption. I can imagine that the Energy Star testing protocol is not exactly the same as the European one. For the dishwasher we will look at energy and water consumption.
Suzanne Painter-Supplee, LEED AP+ID&C
PrincipalSEESolutions LLC
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June 18, 2014 - 9:20 pm
Dishwasher Energy Star Standards are based on IDLE energy plus water consumption per RACK, if a rack machine. NO E/S for flights. Sorting is done at the unload side for door/conveyor machines. Run time/day for permanent ware--take proposed #meals per peak meal period you are designing to, piece(dish) count per guest, and divide by 14, which will estimate #racks to be done. Don't forget trays and plate covers, plus utensils. A hospital would run a machine 10-12 hours/day and up, and casinos, 24 hours. Flatware (silverware) is 100 pieces/rack, run twice. Glassware is a toss up, as racks are made from 16-49 glasses. Then, divide (rated racks/hour x 70%) for the machine you've chosen by racks into total racks expected. Meiko is based in Germany and could potentially be of assistance. Machine will be idle during part of the dish run while workers scrap & load. At this time, booster heat is not considered in Energy Star, nor the credit. I have similar formulas for ice maker run time too. Good luck!