If you select the option that smoking is prohibited within 25' of the building, LEED Online asks you to indicate where smoking is allowed. Are they simply asking you to upload a site plan that shows the 25' perimeter around the building or do you actually need to create a designated smoking area on the property that is marked by signage?
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Tristan Roberts
RepresentativeVermont House of Representatives
LEEDuser Expert
11475 thumbs up
March 10, 2011 - 2:49 pm
Annette, I don't see that the LEED Online form asks for that. Can you describe more specifically where you are seeing that? (Sample forms can be downloaded directly from our Doc Toolkit above, btw.)
David Hubka
Director of OperationsTranswestern Sustainability Services
527 thumbs up
March 10, 2011 - 4:33 pm
The online template asks for the following info: "A site plan/map showing the location of the designated outdoor smoking/nonsmoking areas is required to document
compliance."
If you'd like to allow people to smoke anywhere on the site, as long as it is 25 feet away from the building, this will meet the intent of the prerequisite. This area "anywhere on site except within 25 feet from the building" is also defined as a "designated smoking area" even though it not a nice little smoking box. Be sure to communicate this area to building occupants through signage.
Also, speaking from experience, the 25 feet is not a magic number. . . Environmental Tobacco Smoke may still find it's way into the building.
Hope this helps.
Annette Bellafiore
41 thumbs up
March 10, 2011 - 4:36 pm
Hi Tristan, It only appears when you click on the option for "Smoking is prohibited within 25 feet..." then after owner signature the next line states: "A site plan/map showing the location of the designated outdoor smoking areas is required to document compliance." We got a comment from the reviewers that we didn't indicate where the designated smoking areas are and I'm not quite sure what they want.
Annette Bellafiore
41 thumbs up
March 10, 2011 - 4:38 pm
David, seems we replied at the same time. Are you saying that we should have signage stating, "smoking allowed beyond this point" or something to that effect to indicate where the smoking area is? I can't say I've ever seen that.
Tristan Roberts
RepresentativeVermont House of Representatives
LEEDuser Expert
11475 thumbs up
March 10, 2011 - 4:41 pm
Annette, thanks for clarifying, I somehow missed that. Ideally you'd prohibit smoking onsite and that would make thing simpler, but as David says either the boundary or a designated area should meet the documentation requirements here.
David Hubka
Director of OperationsTranswestern Sustainability Services
527 thumbs up
March 10, 2011 - 4:59 pm
I've seen project teams spray paint "no smoking within 25 feet of building" on the pavement 25 feet away from every building entrance. This strategy has been approved by LEED project reviewers.
As a bonus this paint is not used on the inside of the building so it is not required to comply with IEC Credit 4.2, however we suggest project teams meet the VOC content requirements for all items. . . "transform the market" type attitude.
Michelle Rosenberger
PartnerArchEcology
519 thumbs up
June 15, 2011 - 1:00 pm
We are having the same issue with review comments asking for designated smoking areas. My newest project is in the early stages for a municipality. They do not believe they can prohibit smoking on the property as a legal issue, though WA state already prohibits smoking within 25' of openings by law. You would think State law would be more than adequate.
However, since this is a prerequisite, we need to be sure. Your comment, David, is the first that I have seen indicating that a boundary radius will work for this purpose. Have you been through review successfully with this approach? And if so, using standard non-smoking signage?
Bethany Beers
Sustainable Technologies ManagerFarnsworth Group, Inc.
24 thumbs up
October 7, 2011 - 4:23 pm
Has anyone had a successful solution to this? We're running into the same comment now.