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NC-v4.1 SSc4:Rainwater Management

Determining Retention Requirements

Our rainwater calculations are right on the cusp of reaching the 90th percentile and earning the full three points (+ regional priority point) for this credit. In fact, our calculations met the 90th percentile until we read the v4.1 Reference Guide and realized that rainfall events equal to or less than 0.1" should be omitted. Due to this change, our civil engineer is double checking all calculations.

Typically our civil engineers follow DOEE as a firm standard when filling out the LEED forms and determining retention requirements. The DOEE regulations are more conservative for calculating on-site retention. This is typically not an issue, but with the rainfall events correction, LEED requirements have pushed past the DOEE requirements.

Does anyone know how USGBC interprets retention in bioretention and porous pavement? For example, DOEE only allows you to count 60% of water captured in bioretentions and a small fraction of the volume of water captured for porous pavement. Is our project team able to use the full stormwater volume captured in porous pavement as part of our rainwater management calculations? 

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Tue, 06/18/2024 - 20:46

Hi Callie, Any update on this? I am curious to know if you were able to use the stormwater captured in the porous pavement as part of your rainwater management solution.  Thanks!

Tue, 09/09/2025 - 17:21

Hi Nadia, my apologies for the super delayed response! The answer is yes. We were able to use the full stormwater volume captured within our LEED boundary. Our team ended up consulting multiple LEED Coaches to get to the bottom of this issue. Per their responses: "For the purposes of LEED calculation, we do allow different calculation methodology (outlined in the EPA's Technical Guide for Federal Projects). LEED does not require the project team to cap the bioretention management volume, but we do expect the calculated infiltration rates and biorention volume to make sense per the site design, the medium, and regional soils. Projects must be able to demonstrate via calculation that the site is designed to retain onsite, the required volume from the 90th percentile storm event.""The credit does not set a limit for the amount of infiltration that can be achieved by a particular measure. If professional engineering judgement indicates a specific level of performance can be achieved, the LEED credit does not limit that. As mentioned in the v4 Reference Guide > Further Explanation (https://www.usgbc.org/credits/new-construction-core-and-shell-schools-new-construction-retail-new-construction-data-8?view=guide&return=/credits/New%20Construction/v4/Sustainable%20sites#Further_explanation):The project team may choose the runoff volume calculation methodology most appropriate for the project, provided sufficient documentation and justification to demonstrate that the intent of the credit is being met.We asked a follow up question to verify if the LEED Coaches were using "Biorention" and "Infiltration" interchangeably. "I think the answer depends on how you are defining "Bioretention." If your system is only delaying the release of runoff to moderate the volume and speed of runoff, then it would not be meeting the credit. The intent is to manage, by infiltration, evapotranspiration or reuse, the total volume of runoff from the 24-hour storm being analyzed, within the LEED project boundary."With this combination of responses, we submitted documentation that included the full stormwater bioretention volume and successfully appealed the credit for 3 points + 1 Regional Priority point!

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