I was wondering how much of the decision to delay was due to international uptake. A significant portion of LEED projects are from outside the US and I think these projects represent the biggest growth area for LEED in general. Market transformation is certainly subjective and the same action in one market may be very transformative but in another represents the status quo. If this is the reason for the delay why not extend international projects but stick to the original deadline for US projects.
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Erin Holdenried
Sustainability Architect125 thumbs up
November 10, 2014 - 1:08 pm
I second this point!
Barry Giles
Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM FellowBuildingWise LLC
LEEDuser Expert
338 thumbs up
November 10, 2014 - 1:17 pm
Marcus, Strange that you should mention that. If you were at Delos roll out at GreenBuild, Dave Pogue (CBRE) gave a presentation where he was very convincing that USGBC has reach saturation in most metro areas....this would tie well with you comment that the main growth is outside the USA.....but how would that fit in with ACC?...perhaps ACC already knows that selling chemicals in USA is a lost cause but that outside the USA it's a growth field....a lot like the tobacco industry.
Gary Thomas
32 thumbs up
November 10, 2014 - 2:30 pm
Please let's slow down the green building saturation discussion as it is entirely not the case. The saturation argument is based on the premise that LEED certified buildings and ENERGY STAR labeled buildings are the same from a sustainability standpoint, which we all know is not reality. ENERGY STAR labeled buildings have no requirements for sustainable water, waste, purchasing, indoor environmental quality, pest control, cleaning (interior and exterior), landscaping, among many other items, thus it is misleading to consider LEED certified and ENERGY STAR labeled buildings as being synonymous.
Additionally, it should not be any surprise to the USGBC that international projects are registering at a higher pace than US projects because for most of the participating countries outside of the US LEED is still relatively new to them and they are several years (at least) behind the US when it comes to sustainable development and building operations.
As a culture we like to believe we can quickly conquer anything so that we can move on to the next newest opportunity, which is troubling in the world of sustainable construction and operations because in reality we have barely scratched the surface of opportunities in the US.
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
LEEDuser Expert
5907 thumbs up
November 10, 2014 - 3:15 pm
I might suggest that some of the international market, particularly parts of Europe, are ahead of the US in sustainable development. As i said transforming markets is relative to the level of the local market practice. Agreed that most countries are relatively new to this and there is much to do here and elsewhere. The question is how can USGBC/LEED best transform those markets. I certainly view market transformation as an ongoing proposition, not something even close to being conquered in the foreseeable future.
Hernando Miranda
OwnerSoltierra LLC
344 thumbs up
November 11, 2014 - 12:14 pm
I was told by a marketing person at the USGBC that international markets where the growth market. That was about one year ago. That has obviously changed. I can state for a fact, in California the drop in LEED projects is incredible. It is a dog-eat-dog consulting world. In my opinion, the market is not coming back. Many owners are expecting LEED to be a free-added service. Free LEED only works financially for the design team for projects with very high A&E fees.
Christopher Schaffner
CEO & FounderThe Green Engineer
LEEDuser Expert
963 thumbs up
November 12, 2014 - 9:30 pm
FYI - On the USGBC website today, in a post titled "Our top things to know about Greenbuild 2014 and beyond"
"LEED 2009 extension: Stemming from many conversations with our international friends, USGBC is allowing LEED users to continue registering projects under the LEED 2009 rating system until October 2016."
Seems to confirm the international theory.
I'll tell you one thing - Massachusetts is ready to raise the bar. What will cause a drop in LEED projects here is a failure to maintain a meaningful difference between LEED and standard practice.
Andrew Carman
Sustainability ConsultantApolloBBC
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May 14, 2015 - 9:26 am
Thanks for this perspective--it was easy to assume that USGBC was being influenced by the chemical manufacturers. It's nice to add the international perspective to keep in mind that the markets in many countries need to be drawn along at an appropriate pace. V4 takes into account the increase in code standards here in the US, while code elsewhere hasn't yet had as much of the upward the influence of LEED that the US market has had over the past bunch of years.