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Concerns about the proposed transition between V3 & V4

Currently, the proposal is to have a very long uptake period for V4: June 2013 for the ballot and end-of-2013/early-2014 for the launch. I understand that early-to-mid 2015 is being talked about as the sunset for V3. I can understand the idea to have a ‘soft start,’ where more and more people are expected to move to the V4 system, resulting in a phase-out of the V3 system. However, I think that having such a long overlap will be very confusing for the market and will prolong the time where people have to keep two different rating systems in their heads simultaneously. While the hoped-for scenario might happen, what I think actually WILL happen is that a relatively small fraction of the market (maybe 15-20 percent of the current users, representing 3-4 percent of the market overall) will take up V4, while the vast majority of the market continues to cling to V3 as long as it can. When the final deadline for adopting V4 looms, there will be a giant pulse of V3 buildings registering at the last second, which will enable people to continue using it for years into the future. This behavior has been exhibited EVERY time there has been a major transition, whether it's a LEED version change or modifications to the AP exam. There is no evidence that this time around it will be any different. Under this likely scenario, we easily could see projects certifying to V3 as late as 2018, which I don’t think will support USGBC’s aims for market transformation. An alternative way forward will be proposed in the next post...

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Mon, 12/10/2012 - 16:56

OK Rob...time to switch to De-caffeinated coffee… Your main comment here (long time lag for V3) really has no answer. IF the USGBC put a hard date of January 1 2013..or June 1 2013, there will still be a crush of registrations especially those buildings that are going to recertify within the next 3 to 4 years. That’s good business sense. However running V4 now as a pilot in as many varied buildings as possible is a positive move, there are plenty of companies out there that can absorb the extra over costs to get v4 in-line and are reasonably happy to be the guinea pigs...again. Another of you’re posts links up with reference guides…here I do believe that the production of reference guides is a ‘dark hole’ that only sees light with the printing of the reference guides…a ‘tough-out, here it is, live with it’. Hopefully the TAG’s will get a chance to review the content before print date to make certain that what is printed actually ties up with what the TAG’s meant to say. Finally, your comment re ACP’s doesn’t make a lot of headway…I can’t see the point of asking for ACP’s now until credits have actually had a chance to run…after all if the credit isn’t going to fit the building…then don’t attempt it.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 16:09

Rob, I share your concerns, but understand this may be a by-product of the success of LEED in some ways. It really is already happening. Right now our firm has nearly 80 projects certified, and yet only a few are v2009 right now. There are many in the process of course, but there are many v2.2 projects in the process as well. So in the near future, we will have to keep track of v2.2, v2009, and v4 projects. We already deal with this a little with building codes, since projects span several years. The big difference there is the codes tend to change slowly. However I clearly remember commissioning a high-rise with a very complex smoke control system while we were designing a very similar building that did not have that kind of system because the codes had changed dramatically. My hope is two things, first that there are some ways to move up and down in the versions…to try out things like you said in another of your posts. This was done between v2.1 and v2.2. Second, there will be more materials available to help guide teams. The new credit library is a wonderful example of USGBC listening to users and addressing a real need. So, I do not think you are going to be able to avoid the rush to register you describe, but maybe there are some ways that USGBC can facilitate and encourage migration once that rush occurs.

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