This is going to keep occuring. There are probably a dozen more States right now that SFI is activly lobbying to end LEED. We can already hear the arguements being made over and over again. If jobs is the motivator behind this legislation then FSC is going to need to get ahead of it.
- Create a list of forest acres and jobs by FSC certification on a State by State basis.
- How much State tax is collected from FSC vs SFI land.
- Show where the FSC wood originated from for the last 10 State owned LEED projects. Prove it's domestic wood. Bonus if it's from the same State. Can SFI ever prove this level of source accuracy?
- FSC needs to step up their branding efforts. I still couldn't explain the differences to someone else if my life depended on it. Paula gave me a couple links a few months ago in one of the articles and it didn't help my understanding at all. If the branding just boils down to who you trust then you've lost the political war because money buys favor.
- Well intentioned politicians do try to be fair. If all they see is one standard getting prefered treatment with no justification or seen benefit they will absolutely push for equality between the various standards. Sell why FSC is better for the State in terms that matter to politicians. Is it a choice between jobs today at any cost, or jobs today and jobs tomorrow for our children?
- Tell the politicians that if SFI is misleading about FSC not being American wood, then what else are they misleading about? Fool me once...
p.s. - I've noticed many people seem to have an opinion that "fair news" is just a stenograph repeating what they are told. Challenging what I say or going more indepth means you are now biased. If I say the sky is pink then you better report that there is still an on going debate about what the color of the sky is. Picking sides is unfair and below a true news organization.
Jason Grant
PrincipalJason Grant Consulting
LEEDuser Expert
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August 22, 2012 - 12:16 pm
Bill,
Your list of things that FSC should do to push back on SFI's propaganda is a good one. Facts such as those you call for won't stop SFI and its allies from pressuring states and federal agencies to turn away from LEED and to favor instead Green Globes and NAHBGreen (the SFIs of green building), but they will equip LEED and FSC's supporters and allies with a better set of arguments in what should be a vigorous countervailing effort to defend and promote high standards, whether for green building in general or forest management in particular.
Regarding comparisons of FSC and SFI, here are a links to a couple of recent pieces that I think do a pretty good job of laying out the key differences:
http://www.jasongrantconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/FSC-v-SFI...
http://www.jasongrantconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/TrimTab-S...
Cheers
Jason
Bill Swanson
Sr. Electrical EngineerIntegrated Design Solutions
LEEDuser Expert
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August 23, 2012 - 2:10 pm
Thanks for the links. My once over of the documents gave me this understanding of the differences.
FSC
- Democratically elected governing board with 3 equal chambers. Majorities required in all three to make changes.
- Typical audit is 10 times more rigorous than SFI, done over 29 days by 5 people (1160 hours) with an average 51 page public summary.
- Audits affect work.
- Requires 3rd party certification.
- Harvest never exceeds growth.
- Clear cutting rare with limits of 2-20 acres based on forest type.
- Prohibits changing forests into tree plantations.
- Protects old growth
- Products with FSC certified source must be completely certified.
- No GMO’s are allowed to be planted.
- Goes above and beyond laws to protect habitat, species, and use of chemicals.
SFI
- Self-appointed governing board with 3 chambers. Majorities required in only two to make changes.
- Typical audit is 6 days by 2 people (96 hours) with an average 5 page public summary of mostly boiler plate information.
- Audits rarely affect work.
- Self certification.
- Harvest commonly exceeds growth by playing number games by counting State and Federal Park land nearby in the growth column.
- Clear cutting common with a limit of 120 acre “average”.
- Allows converting native forests into tree plantations.
- Promises to protect old growth.
- Products with SFI certified source can allow material to be 100% non-certified. Source based on company, not wood.
- GMO’s are allowed to be planted.
- Does the legal minimum to comply with protecting habitat, species, and use of chemicals.
Paula Melton
Editorial DirectorBuildingGreen, Inc.
LEEDuser Moderator
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August 23, 2012 - 4:23 pm
Jason, that is indeed a good list regarding environmental impacts and governance, but it says nothing about local economies. I like Bill's idea of FSC fighting back with statistics. They don't win over the public, generally speaking, but they can be good for educating legislators. I don't think it will stop SFI's attempts, but it might convince enough of the right people. Additionally, I think FSC could do a lot of education about local environmental impacts, telling some stories to legislators in targeted states about how FSC protects specific habitats and species that tourism dollars rely on. But deciding to spend those dollars on lobbying instead of on directly protecting forests is something they must struggle with.
Bill Swanson
Sr. Electrical EngineerIntegrated Design Solutions
LEEDuser Expert
734 thumbs up
August 23, 2012 - 4:33 pm
Or try asking questions. How is it an environmental label if it's only doing the legal minimum to protect habitat, wildlife, and use of chemicals?
Jason Grant
PrincipalJason Grant Consulting
LEEDuser Expert
164 thumbs up
August 23, 2012 - 5:21 pm
Bill
I would amend your list as follows:
FSC
- Open membership and democratically elected governing board with 3 equal chambers (environmental, social, economic). BoD majorities required in all three to make changes. Major decisions are put to the membership, where each chamber has equal voting power.
- More rigorous standard and audit process. Typical forest management audit is done over 29 days by 5 people (1160 hours) with an average 51 page public summary.
- Audits focus on on-the-ground performance
- Requires 3rd party certification.
- Harvest never exceeds growth.
- Clearcutting not allowed in some forest types and limited in others. In natural forests in the U.S., max. clearcuts 2-20 acres based on region. Max. clearcut size 80 acres for plantations
- Prohibits changing forests into tree plantations.
- Protects old growth
- FSC labeled product lines require inputs from FSC-certified forests into the production process (relative quantities depend on whether it is FSC 100% or MSC Mix)
- No GMO’s are allowed to be planted.
- Goes above and beyond laws and state-level "best management practices" to protect habitat, species, and use of chemicals.
SFI
- No membership and self-appointed governing board with 3 chambers. BoD majorities required in only two to make changes.
- Typical audit is 6 days by 2 people (96 hours) with an average 5 page public summary of mostly boiler plate information.
- Audits focus more on systems/process than on-the-ground performance.
- Allows self-certification with an option for third-party certification.
- Harvest can exceed growth over a rotation or longer and offers no protection against cumulative depleting activities. Harvest level is calculated by ownership rather than at the planning level, thereby allowing over-harvest on portions of large ownerships with 'compensatory' growth far away.
- Clear cutting common no size limit on individual clearcuts. Clearcuts must not exceed a 120 acre average across an entire ownership which may span multiple states. This can be manipulated by combining larger clearcuts with much smaller ones in the same harvest period.
- Allows converting native forests into tree plantations.
- Requires "plans" to protect old growth, but this can be satisfied by, for example, supporting the protection of old growth in nearby parks. No specific requirements for protecting old growth on the ownerships of SFI-certified companies.
- Products with the SFI fiber sourcing label can contain zero inputs from SFI-certified forests into the production process of the labeled product(s)
- GMO’s are allowed to be planted.
- Does little beyond the legal minimum to comply with protecting habitat, species, and use of chemicals.
Paula, your points are good ones, but FSC lacks the resources to do a state-by-state lobbying effort. FSC US has a full-time staff of 6.
Hernando Miranda
OwnerSoltierra LLC
344 thumbs up
August 23, 2012 - 6:51 pm
"FSC lacks the resources to do a state-by-state lobbying effort. FSC US has a full-time staff of 6."
This tells you that the SFI has more funding for lobbying adventures. That money is all, or nearly all, provided by the industry members supporting SFI. If you could follow the money-chain to the supporters/donors you are likely to find companies that do not comply with FSC. They either tried and decided that the effort to comply was too expensive, or they never tried at all.
Jason Grant
PrincipalJason Grant Consulting
LEEDuser Expert
164 thumbs up
August 23, 2012 - 7:30 pm
This is all too true. I'm not sure if you saw, but a few years back ForestEthics did a report that contains a sort of diagram of the lines of funding and influence between the major timber companies and SFI:
http://forestethics.org/re-straightening-the-record-stop-sustainable-for...
Paula Melton
Editorial DirectorBuildingGreen, Inc.
LEEDuser Moderator
183 thumbs up
August 24, 2012 - 11:17 am
Sadly, this is all part of a much larger and very well-funded lobbying effort that now includes the chemical industry. Fighting that is going to be really difficult for any organization, which means a lot of this is going to be up to consumers.