The Bird's Eye above states only fixtures within the project 'SCOPE' which would mean that a project that does not include plumbing fixtures, would be exempt. On the contrary, GBCI (July Addenda) states fixtures that are not within the tenant 'SPACE', are exempt. In other words, even though the fixtures are not in the scope,but are within the space they need to meet the 20% reduction prerequsite. So, they would have to be upgraded as they are within the space and essentially become part of the LEED project scope because they are in the tenant space. This makes a big difference for an owner that does not want to upgrade or touch existing and yet wants certification. Please clarify.

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Tristan Roberts

Representative

Vermont House of Representatives

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Fri, 03/11/2011 - 04:48

Michelle, you are correct that it is "space" and not "scope." Key distinction. I have edited our language accordingly.

breeze glazer

Research Knowledge Manager: Healthcare Sustainability

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Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:51

This is not entirely accurate. We just received clarification, directly from the USGBC on this issue. the customer’s questions below, relative to LEED-CI 2009 water credits: "If water fixtures are not included in the tenant’s scope of work, then there is no criteria that must be met for WEp1." "WEc1 – however – must include all fixtures used by the tenant, not just those included in the tenant’s scope of work." Monique Caron, LEED® AP BD+C Account Manager | US Green Building Council

Nancy Henderson

Managing Member

ArchEcology, LLC

LEEDuser Basic Member

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Mon, 03/21/2011 - 18:41

Breeze, Was there any direction about documenting this distinction? Since WEcr1 results are now a simple output of WEpr1, how would you exclude the fixtures from the WEpr1 calculation but include them for WEcr1?

breeze glazer

Research Knowledge Manager: Healthcare Sustainability

LEEDuser Basic Member

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Tue, 03/22/2011 - 21:16

Not sure I entirely follow. This distinction fundamentally applies to WEp1, which then carries over to WEc1. Within the LEED templates for each, I would choose the alternate compliance route (otherwise you'll be unable to submit the forms, and project). Why would you want to exclude the fixtures from the prerequisite, but include for the credit? If your scope does not include fixtures, then you are excluded from the prerequisite, and can not attempt the credit.

Cristina Ainslie

Director

Business Interiors by Staples

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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:06

I submitted WEp1 (LEED CI v3) using a combination of existing and new water fixtures in the project space. The existing fixtures are: 3 urinals, 3 water closets and 6 faucets. The new fixtures are: 3 water closets, 3 faucets and 1 kitchen faucet. In the GBCI's preliminary review comments they will not allow the project to include the existing fixtures, only the new fixtures, even though all are located in the tenant space. I need to submit my clarification documentation soon. Any suggestions?

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