Reused furniture works against you for MRc4?

I guess you're right. The definition of reused material or reused furniture is different from the definition of recycled content, therefore you cannot use your reused furniture for credit 4, but you have to include them in your materials cost.

Since the furniture is actually reused it stands to reason that you wouldn't also be able to call it recycled. I think this is inherent to the definition of 'reused' and 'recycled content'.However, it can contribute to MRc5.

Since the cost of all furniture has to be used in the Div 12 number it stands to reason that the reused furniture replacement value would be included. The key is perhaps in identifying the replacement value.

I have completed this credit previously under the CIv2.0 system. You are correct in that reused furniture cannot contribute to MRc4 but it should not hurt your application for that credit. Previously I documented the credit by excluding the re-used furniture cost from the MRc4 template as directed by my projects review team. Now with the project cost reading from multiple credit templates it is more difficult to manually remove this value from only the MRc4 form. I would suggest following the aternate form of compliance and submitting supplementary calculations to illustrate credit compliance.

Anyone tried sending them a feedback request through LEED Online? I have heard that they are responsive to this kind of request.

Like Lauren, I am also in the middle of this scenario for a current v2009 project. I posted a feedback query yesterday and will report back on the reply here. My plan though is to submit my calculations separately as opposed to trying to "back door" the form. I do not think that this is an issue they addressed in the beta forms yet as it is not a scenario often implemented. I think there is a lot of work to be done on the cost credit forms MRc3,4,5,6, & 7. The interface is very clunk and laborious.

After looking into this further I have also submitted a feedback request for this credit. This will be my first time documenting it under v3 so I looked back and found that, as Anthony stated above, this is an issue for everyone since the form updates have not addressed this. I will also post the response I get here. In the meantime, I will also submit separate calculations showing MRc3.2 costs subtracted from Div 12 costs.

Well, here it is:
"Yes, the value of reused materials is subtracted from the total materials cost for MRc4. The beta version of this form has two major problems; one is that it does not subtract the reused materials value from the total material cost for MRc4, and the other is that the tables are not linked as there were intended to be. There are new forms available for upgrade that have fixed both these issues. You have two choices to document points for MRc4. Either fill in the table in the current form and then submit correct credit calculations in special circumstances, or upgrade all the MR forms and re-enter the material data.

If you choose to keep the forms you have, you would select special circumstances and state that there is an error in the form and the value of reused furniture is not subtracting from the total materials cost for MRc4. This is a known issue the reviewers are familiar with.

If you choose to upgrade your MR forms, both of the tables will link across MR3.2, 4.1, and 5. Although you would lose the data entered in the table currently you would only have to re-enter it once."

I received an email notice that my LOv3 forms were updated within a couple days.

It's worth noting that the original ID+C Reference Guide text did not indicate that the MRc3.2 costs were to be excluded from MRc4, but that the 4/14/2010 addenda made it clear that this is indeed the case (revisions to pages 241 and 249). This underscores the importance of reviewing the current Addenda for any project you are documenting. Current Addenda available at:

http://www.usgbc.org/ShowFile.aspx?DocumentID=6394