We are working on a project with a modelled energy savings of 47% when comparing BTU/sf/yr. When we calculate it as LEED requires (in terms of dollars) our building energy efficiency drops to 22%. This is a result of the fact that in our location natural gas is so inexpensive and our proposed design relies more on electricity than natural gas. It seems LEED is inadvertantly encouraging the use of natural gas as an energy source. Has anyone run across this before and have any suggestions as to how to accurately represent the energy savings?
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Richard Morse
30 thumbs up
May 26, 2010 - 12:37 pm
We too have encountered such results, I am interested to know of any possible alternatives.
My understanding is that, for better or worse, LEED makes its measurements in dollars - presumably as a means to show demonstrable economic benefits to its implementation.
This "follow the money" approach is either brilliant or fatally flawed depending on your perspective. I for one think it's misleading, as energy savings in terms of BTUs/sf is definable, whereas the cost of the fuel is subject to constant market fluctuations.
Christopher Schaffner
CEO & FounderThe Green Engineer
LEEDuser Expert
963 thumbs up
May 28, 2010 - 10:04 am
LEED uses energy cost because the ASHRAE standard uses energy cost. This is likely to change in the next iteration of LEED.
One thing to keep in mind is the difference between site energy and source energy. 1 BTU of electricity at the site typically represents about 3 BTU of fossil fuel used to generate that electricity at the source. Site energy BTUs are not an "apples to apples" comparision - 1 BTU natural gas has lower carbon emissions than 1 BTU electricity, if the the electricity is generated from fossil fuels. In an indirect way, using cost as the metric actually captures this nuance.
Hans Wetterlund
Energy AnalystWSP Sverige
4 thumbs up
June 30, 2010 - 10:00 am
We too have this experiance but unfortunately no answer. The intensions in LEED is truly missLEEDing as we can not affect the Baseline Building electricity use, the major factor, I think, to the difference between 47 % and 22 % in your exampel, Michael.
In Ashrae handbook it is stated that the calculations can be based on energy cost OR energy performance so maby therefore we can use energy performance in LEED instead of energy cost, Chris??
Christopher Schaffner
CEO & FounderThe Green Engineer
LEEDuser Expert
963 thumbs up
July 19, 2010 - 9:14 pm
Nope - it's got to be cost, at least until LEED 2012.
Eric Johnson
271 thumbs up
October 16, 2010 - 5:51 pm
Hans, Stop listening to Henry and grow your horizons.
Understanding Primary/Source and Site Energy
2010-07 by Kohta Ueno and John Straube
What about using energy costs instead?
Some (notably ASHRAE 90.1 and LEED) have considered using the cost of energy as a metric, instead of bothering with site-source conversions, Btus, kWh, etc. First, costs are commonly used in economic analyses, and are what many building owners care
about the most. Second, energy costs are actually a rough surrogate for/approximation of source energy. This is part of the reason why ASHRAE Standard 90.1 (the energy efficiency standard for large buildings), uses cost in its “building energy cost method” (which calculates the effectiveness of various energy
conservation measures) (Jarnagin, 2010).
Pia Öhrling
WSP40 thumbs up
November 8, 2010 - 4:19 pm
If LEED wants to support more environmental energy it should compare CO2 or primary energy energy factors instead of cost. In Sweden we often use district heating which has lower cost than most other fuels in most cases is more environmental.
In our DES-systems we use lots of different fuels: waste heat from industries, heat from wasteburning, biofuels from woodwaste, crops etc, sometimes topped up with fossilfuels. (Of course we recycle our waste and often take out boigas, what is left is burned).
The cost model is not fair on our District heating systems.
Tristan Roberts
RepresentativeVermont House of Representatives
LEEDuser Expert
11477 thumbs up
November 12, 2010 - 12:07 pm
As Chris alluded to above, you may have your wish in the next version of LEED, which is out for public comment.
Mark Stromberg
April 9, 2012 - 5:57 pm
Hello:
We are not experiencing this very same problem. We are projecting an energy consumption savings of over 20%, but a cost savings of only 5% due to the price discrepancies between electricity and natural gas (gas being much cheaper). Just wondering if anyone has requested alternate compliance based on energy consumption savings, in lieu of cost savings. I searched the credit interpretations, but did not find anything.
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
LEEDuser Expert
5907 thumbs up
April 11, 2012 - 9:32 am
As Chris said above the metric for calculating savings is cost.