I have read several questions/ replies in the forum, but am still unclear. Some background: We have a 70k warehouse attached to a 20k office. The entire facility has 12 FTEs. The warehouse gets an average of 3 deliveries/ pickups a day. Periodically, a training class for up to 60 people is held in the office space. When it comes to the data to be input to PIf3-3, the peak transients data to be input is obviously 60, but what is the daily average transient? Is it the 3 delivery/ pick ups or is it an average of the peak transient load? I have read conflicting responses. Thanks in advance for your help.
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David Posada
Integrated Design & LEED SpecialistSERA Architects
LEEDuser Expert
1980 thumbs up
September 7, 2012 - 7:39 pm
Dale,
The Daily Average Transient is used to calculate the water consumption over the course of the year for WEp1 and WEc3. With these occupancy numbers rough estimates are fine - you don't usually see big changes in the water performance (% savings) if you have a FTE of 25 or an FTE of 100. The flow rates of the fixtures have a much greater impact.
Using cowboy math for just the transients from your training class, here's one way to estimate it:
- Assume 5 days/ week for 52 weeks = 260 days of operation.
- If the training class is once a month, and average attendance is 50 people, that's 600 (50 x 12) transients over a year.
- Average those 600 peoples over the days of operation, 600/260=2.3 average transients per day. Rounded up it only adds 3 to your Daily Average Transients.
- If the class was once a week it would be (50 x 52)/260 = 10 transients per day on average. Add that to your 3 deliveries, and you could be at 13 Daily Average Transients.
Sound reasonable?
Dale Dunnet
Design CoordinatorMiles Construction
September 10, 2012 - 11:01 am
Sounds very reasonable. Thanks for your help.
Libby Brown
Goody Clancy2 thumbs up
September 27, 2012 - 10:15 am
I also have a question regarding daily average transients. I have read a few different interpretations of what this number is supposed to be, and I want to be sure that for our case, we're calculating it correctly.
Our project is a new academic/classroom building at a University. Our peak transient number is 1100 which represents the number of students/visitors in the building at the busiest moment of the day.
For the daily average, do we calculate:
A) What would be the average number for a typical moment in the day when the building is occupied?
or
B) What is the total number of transients visiting the building throughout the day, on average
also, to calculate this average number, the explanation on the form says it is the "daily average per day calculated on a yearly basis." so, considering we have very different occupancy numbers during the school year as compared to over the summer, do we take an average of our number for all 365 days, or just for the months when school is in session?
Thanks very much for any feedback!
Kristen Dotson
Senior Program Manager, Sustainable Buildings, WWSAmazon
8 thumbs up
April 3, 2013 - 11:06 am
Libby - how did you resolve that last question regarding the average per day on a yearly basis vs. the school/year summer? I'm facing the same problem. Thanks.
Sara Goenner Curlee
Sustainability Manager and ArchitectPope Design Group
60 thumbs up
May 28, 2013 - 11:10 am
I am also interested in the "average per day on a yearly basis" question. Do I divide by 365 days or the actual number of days a building is in use throughout the year?
Thank you!
Michael Smithing
Director - Green Building AdvisoryColliers International Ltd.
304 thumbs up
May 28, 2013 - 11:25 am
Since the daily average is used to calculate water fixture usage, you should use the annual days of occupancy which you report on the WEp1 form (as well as PIf3) to do your average.