How does one calculate the required Standby loss for a domestic hot water calorifier. I have the rated values in kwh/day from the manufacturer but not sure how or where I can get the required values from.
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Marcus Sheffer
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January 6, 2016 - 10:36 am
The standby loss (SL) is maximum Btu/h based on a 70°F temperature difference between stored water and ambient requirements. See the note at the bottom of Table 7.8 for the SI equivalent units.
The formula for a greater than 12 kW electric water heater would be -
20 + (35 x square root of V) = SL
Ciaran McCabe
DirectorPassive Dynamics Sustainability Consultants
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January 6, 2016 - 10:42 am
Many thanks. I note that there is no SL formula for electric water heaters <12kW OR gas storage water heaters <22.98kW. Is it not applicable for smaller installations ?
Marcus Sheffer
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January 6, 2016 - 10:51 am
Correct for the smaller heaters you calculate EF and not SL.
Mehrdad Zabihi
Mechanical DesignerCTM Design
July 19, 2018 - 4:36 pm
Hi Marcus
I appreciate if you give me more statistic about below item:
"for the smaller heaters, you calculate EF and not SL."
I searched a lot and I could not find anything. I checked some manufacturer's catalog and they did not consider SL for smaller Elec. Water Heater and they mentioned just EF for smaller one.
I also checked the Std and I could not find any related information.
Tnx
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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July 20, 2018 - 10:11 am
That sounds right. The smaller heaters should have an EF and not a SL.
Mehrdad Zabihi
Mechanical DesignerCTM Design
July 20, 2018 - 10:47 am
I could not find it on any standards.
Could you please help me with this matter. I should fill in the form for the municipality and I need some statistics document
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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July 20, 2018 - 10:56 am
I am not sure I have seen this on any manufacturer's literature for water heaters. We simply calculate it using the formula in Table 7.8.
Mehrdad Zabihi
Mechanical DesignerCTM Design
July 20, 2018 - 11:20 am
Could you please tell me the name of Std that we can find the formula in Table 7.8?
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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July 20, 2018 - 11:51 am
90.1
Mehrdad Zabihi
Mechanical DesignerCTM Design
July 20, 2018 - 12:52 pm
Thanks for your reply, I checked Table 7.8 "Performance Requirements for Water-Heating Equipment" in "ANSI/ASHRAE/IES STANDARD 90.1-2016.
For Electric water heater less than 12Kw and bigger than 75.7 Liter, refer me to "Footnote (g).
In the footnote (g), write this sentence "in the U.S. refer to CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS 10 CFR Part 430. I checked it and unfortunately, I could not find any related data.
I am looking for Std which applicable in Canada.
In my project, I have 9Kw Electric Water Heater and 50Gal(178Liter)
I appreciate if you have more information, please tell me.
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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July 20, 2018 - 1:00 pm
90.1-2007 is the referenced standard for this version of LEED.
I am not sure what applies in Canada.