Hi, i'm working on a core and shell proyect particularly in 8.2 credit,and i have the next question about it, are cafeteria and file room a regularly occuped spaces??, and another question is , there is a difference between regularly occupied spaces and regularly occupied gross area? , i'm asking this because our proyect was reviewed already , and one of the technical advices given, was match the total regularly occupied gross area of PIf3 form with total regularly occupied spaces of IEQ 8.2 credit form. I'd not worked on this proyect before , and i'm trying to understand what the other people did.
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Susann Geithner
PrincipalEmerald Built Environments
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June 27, 2011 - 2:16 pm
#1 cafeteria is most definitely regularly occupied, the file room usually not. That's how we have submitted it in the past and it has been excepted.
#2 We had that a couple of times before. Actually the numbers from the PIF3 form are no longer linked with the IEQ 8.1 / 8.2 form in the newest version of those forms. Might be that this hasn't been updated for Core& Shell yet. I would just verbally explain that this numbers can not match. Because gross area means including walls. The definition for IEQ 8 applicable area excluded walls. So basically LEED online is wrong. You might also just changed the PIF3 form to the same number, which you are using in IEQ 8.2. At least that's what I was doing on in my last CS projects.
The area definition and cross relationship in LEED Online is an ongoing problem. The reviewers are devices to asked for clarification if the difference between gross area and occupied or "area per EA P2 in your simulation" is to large.
You might want to send the reviewer an email through LEED online to asked for some clear guidance on the issue.
Daniela Aguilera
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June 27, 2011 - 3:52 pm
Thanks Susann, i sent a "feedback" to leed on line. At the same time, i had another question with the regularly occuped spaces for IEQ c 8.2 form , the building has in each floor a central core and workstations around it , there are 6 floor in total and two of them has cafeteria and file room (my previous question), my doubt now is the corridors areas must be excluded from calculations of regularly occuped spaces? , basically this area is where the workers walk to the exit. I'm checking the leed user's glossary and corridors and lobbies are nonregularly occupied spaces, but if this area is not large and is the way to walk into the open office i don't know if it count as regularly occupied spaces.
Thanks again.
Susann Geithner
PrincipalEmerald Built Environments
1297 thumbs up
June 27, 2011 - 4:46 pm
If it's a corridor separated by full height walls, you will have to exclude it for sure. If it's a walkway in the open space than you can basically go either way. The determination of an area for this walkways is very arbitrary and therefore leave lots of room for discussions. We have done it either way included and excluded, what ever was the most likely layout.