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NC-v4 EAp2:Minimum energy performance

Predictive Climate Data

Hello, 

Wondering if anyone is using predictive (i.e., Future) climate data rather than past climate data when performing energy models. 

Thanks!

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Wed, 02/21/2024 - 22:11

We have not but would love to do so and have some clients interested in doing so. Would love to hear about anyone doing this myself. Looks like Argonne is taking the lead at US DOE to develop these. https://www.energy.gov/eere/buildings/femy-future-and-extreme-weather-data

Wed, 02/21/2024 - 22:55

Correct Argonne and ORNL. This is from a few weeks ago with staff from both nat'l labs:

  Part of our work on developing fAMY (i.e. not converted into TMY) is available at for the time being at : https://data.openei.org/submissions/5974   We are going to eventually move it back to Argonne once we figure out how to best make it accessible behind our Climate Risk & Resilience Portal https://www.anl.gov/ccrds/ClimRR   One of my staff, Dr. Zhaoyun Zeng, will be presenting a paper at SimBuild that discusses future weather and touches on our dataset.  He presented a paper at Building Sim 2023 providing an analysis of the use of future weather / climate data in building simulation that will be available once those proceedings get published on the web   Ralph Muehleisen Chief Building Scientist, Argonne National Laboratory

  Paper:
  • Shovan Chowdhury, Fengqi Li, Avery Stubbings, Joshua R. New (2023). “Multi-Model Future Typical Meteorological (fTMY) Weather Files for nearly every US County.” The 3rd ACM International Workshop on Big Data and Machine Learning for Smart Buildings and Cities and BuildSys '23: The 10th ACM International Conference on Systems for Energy-Efficient Buildings, Cities, and Transportation, Istanbul, Turkey, November 15-16, 2023. DOI: 10.1145/3600100.3626637 [Paper]
    Data References - SSP 5 RCP 8.5:
  • Shovan Chowdhury, Fengqi Li, Avery Stubbings, Joshua R. New, Deeksha Rastogi, and Shih-Chieh Kao (2023). "Future Typical Meteorological Year (fTMY) US Weather Files for Building Simulation for every US County (Cross-Model version)." ORNL internal Scientific and Technical Information (STI) report, doi: 10.5281/zenodo.10420669, Dec 2023. [Data]
 
  • Shovan Chowdhury, Fengqi Li, Avery Stubbings, Joshua R. New, Deeksha Rastogi, and Shih-Chieh Kao (2023). "Future Typical Meteorological Year (fTMY) US Weather Files for Building Simulation for every US County (East and South)." ORNL internal Scientific and Technical Information (STI) report, doi:10.5281/zenodo.10425621, Sept 2023. [Data
  • Shovan Chowdhury, Fengqi Li, Avery Stubbings, Joshua R. New, Deeksha Rastogi, and Shih-Chieh Kao (2023). "Future Typical Meteorological Year (fTMY) US Weather Files for Building Simulation for every US County (West and Midwest)." ORNL internal Scientific and Technical Information (STI) report, doi:10.5281/zenodo.10425146, Sept 2023. [Data
  You should be able to use these FTMY EPW files for current/future energy consumption projections, etc. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Frank Li ORNL

Thu, 02/22/2024 - 01:59

Thanks Marcus and Jamy, this is very helpful. I also asked GBCI if they are seeing energy models with predictive climate data; They have not yet. 

Thu, 02/22/2024 - 23:38

I have been using future weather files from WeatherShift, but it is typically to compare to the results from a TMYx2007-2021 file to see how many unmet hours there are and such.  We still submit results from the TMYx to GBCI.

Tue, 03/26/2024 - 08:19

is it acceptable for Leed V4 submissions?

Tue, 03/26/2024 - 14:49

Yes as long as the weather file is appropriate for the climate zone. There are no other requirements in terms of what weather file to use. See Appendix G2.3.

Thu, 03/28/2024 - 03:52

Thanks Marcus

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