Hello,
Wondering if anyone is using predictive (i.e., Future) climate data rather than past climate data when performing energy models.
Thanks!
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NC-v4 EAp2: Minimum energy performance
Hello,
Wondering if anyone is using predictive (i.e., Future) climate data rather than past climate data when performing energy models.
Thanks!
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Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
LEEDuser Expert
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February 21, 2024 - 5:11 pm
We have not but would love to do so and have some clients interested in doing so. Would love to hear about anyone doing this myself. Looks like Argonne is taking the lead at US DOE to develop these. https://www.energy.gov/eere/buildings/femy-future-and-extreme-weather-data
Jamy Bacchus
Associate PrincipalME Engineers
26 thumbs up
February 21, 2024 - 5:55 pm
Correct Argonne and ORNL. This is from a few weeks ago with staff from both nat'l labs:
Part of our work on developing fAMY (i.e. not converted into TMY) is available at for the time being at :
https://data.openei.org/submissions/5974
We are going to eventually move it back to Argonne once we figure out how to best make it accessible behind our Climate Risk & Resilience Portal
https://www.anl.gov/ccrds/ClimRR
One of my staff, Dr. Zhaoyun Zeng, will be presenting a paper at SimBuild that discusses future weather and touches on our dataset. He presented a paper at Building Sim 2023 providing an analysis of the use of future weather / climate data in building simulation that will be available once those proceedings get published on the web
Ralph Muehleisen Chief Building Scientist, Argonne National Laboratory
Paper:
Data References - SSP 5 RCP 8.5:
You should be able to use these FTMY EPW files for current/future energy consumption projections, etc. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Frank Li ORNL
Dave Hubka
Practice Leader - SustainabilityEUA
LEEDuser Expert
532 thumbs up
February 21, 2024 - 8:59 pm
Thanks Marcus and Jamy, this is very helpful.
I also asked GBCI if they are seeing energy models with predictive climate data; They have not yet.
Cory Duggin
Senior Energy WizardTLC Engineering Solutions
53 thumbs up
February 22, 2024 - 6:38 pm
I have been using future weather files from WeatherShift, but it is typically to compare to the results from a TMYx2007-2021 file to see how many unmet hours there are and such. We still submit results from the TMYx to GBCI.
Abdullah Tahir
HVAC DESIGN ENGINEERIES Consulting
17 thumbs up
March 26, 2024 - 4:19 am
is it acceptable for Leed V4 submissions?
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
LEEDuser Expert
5912 thumbs up
March 26, 2024 - 10:49 am
Yes as long as the weather file is appropriate for the climate zone. There are no other requirements in terms of what weather file to use. See Appendix G2.3.
Abdullah Tahir
HVAC DESIGN ENGINEERIES Consulting
17 thumbs up
March 27, 2024 - 11:52 pm
Thanks Marcus