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NC-v4 SSc4:Rainwater management

Only bowls and castles need apply?

Full disclosure: I'm not a civil engineer but I have to try to explain the LEED requirements too them. In the case of this credit, I'm trying to figure out if I'm missing something major here. The online guide added an exclusion of protected natural areas from the calculations and recommends different calculations than the print guide. Both of these changes help significantly but the rest of the language still implies (and at least one reviewer has stated) that every drop of water that isn’t absorbed or pooled on site must be prevented from leaving (for design rainfall X). It seems that the only possible approach is to have the entire site slope inwards, or have a wall or trench run along the LPB to stop any water from running off the edges of the site. Discrepancies between the language and examples occur in online and in print. These examples focus only on hardscape and roof runoff, and ignore new and existing vegetated areas and any inconveniently sloped areas near the LEED Project Boundary where rainwater could leave the site. At least in SSc6.2 in v2009, you only had to treat 90% of all runoff, but I don't see the same flexibility in v4. There seems to be either a LEED subtext or professional design convention that I’m missing that ignores runoff from vegetated areas and the edges of a site, or the discussions and examples to date haven't met the LEED requirements. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm quite lost. Thank you, Daniel Hartsig

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Wed, 08/31/2016 - 14:26

I like the bowl analogy, and in a sense you are correct if you are looking into Option 1, this is why I steer everyone to Option 2. It is a simple (for your CE) pre vs post analysis, and it will award you points in the end. If you are going to do Option 1, you need to consider your LEED boundary, and exclude any undisturbed areas, because as you stated, you will never be able to solve this. This is a known issue with this credit, and I've been trying to get it corrected. Do not use the print version of this credit, use the online.

Wed, 08/31/2016 - 15:40

Thank you for the confirmation Michael, I thought I was really missing something. We're assisting on a v4 Platinum in Haiti that needs every point it can get, so they're trying Option 1. They're lucky enough to have a bowl shaped site surrounded by a wall, and they can contain and infiltrate more than the 98th percentile rainfall volume (if you only look at the calculated volume), but there will be some runoff from the top of the wall and some from the edge of the driveway that must slope towards the road. The requirement for 100% capture just doesn't seem logical. I will update this post if we find a way forward. Please let us know if you get any traction on your end, and if anyone else has seen this issue and has ideas they'd be appreciated. Thank you!

Wed, 08/31/2016 - 16:25

This has been my gripe since the beginning, if you put say a sidewalk around your site, and if it drains to the road (which it should) you can't meet this credit. Good luck, and let me know how you make out.

Thu, 09/21/2017 - 19:38

Are any updates known about this credit since the above posts? It's been a year, and we're still trying to document this. I know it will come up on my newer v4 projects, too, so I'm curious.

Fri, 09/22/2017 - 13:20

Emily, there are no updates. The credit stands as is....... However, as I have said repeatedly on this forum, a project should never pursue Option 1 for this credit. You should always pursue Option 2, where you only have to manage the delta between pre and post runoff volume. Option 1 is feasible, but you really need to be creative.

Thu, 09/28/2017 - 18:26

The intent of the credit is to capture and manage the appropriate volume of water onsite rather than capturing every raindrop. If the green infrastructure BMPs onsite are designed to capture the requisite volume, that will satisfy the credit. It is understood that not every raindrop falling within the project boundary can always be retained onsite.

Thu, 09/28/2017 - 19:13

Correct, but the problem arises in Path 1, where you're not going to meet the requirements of the credit if you have any bypass. If following Path 1, there is no way to overdetain other areas of the site, the math just doesn't work. If the 90% runoff volume is say 1000 cf, you can't just put 1000 cf volume into some BMP and say you meet the credit, the water has to actually get into the BMP.

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