Thank you Tristan and LEEDUser for opening this blog up - I think it's very valuable. And thank you Brendan for your comments and reading and including ours.
So with M. Mead in mind - I suggest the USGBC put an small expert panel of 10 to 12 PE's and Architects with LEED experience (find them all on the EBN advisory board) and compensate them for their time to immediately address this very dangerous threat to the LEED system, design professionals, and to green building in general. This lawsuit has little merit - but it should serve as a wake up call to the future ones that will.
Does the USGBC REALLY want the MPR #6 data to come back to show LEED buildings don't save energy? I know I don't. Fix it now.
and some responses on specific comments:
1. No one here has said that energy modeling is useless - but it has its limits and, like any statistic, results can be presented to show what you want (ie what counts as a 'ventilation load'). Models are certainly useful at the research (DOE, NREL) level because then they are broadly educative. And frankly, I should be able to pull up an energy load profile chart for any standard building type, by climate and building size and use that to help clients spend their efforts solving the right problems from the very beginning.
And model results should be looked at in an absolute way - in addition to a relative way. A Hummer that improves its mpg 50% is still a Hummer. The EPA Energy Star Target Finder Database is one source of what the absolute kBTU/sf/yr number should be - the others like CBECS average nationally - which is misleading for building envelope (climate) load dominated buildings.
Spending thousands of a client's money to perfect a model past the point in the process where you can make substantial design changes for energy improvement is useless and wasteful (sorry Jason - I hope that is not what you are doing today). Model it imperfectly, improve it to an absolute EUI standard (then no baseline model is needed), and measure it all for 2 years.
Less time, less cost, more low energy buildings.
2. on energy vs.air quality: There are trade-offs throughout the entire spectrum of green building decisions. the point is not that we find the perfect intersection of everything. The point, is that we understand why and what we have chosen to prioritize. I've worked on LEED buildings for 9 years and green architecture and energy research for 9 years before that (absolutely no McMansions - wrong Sage Eric) - and I don't feel the LEED process is flexible enough to allow teams to smartly prioritize.
3. and finally, should zero net really be the goal? This is not to discount the value of showcasing what's necessary for this; but time and money and human energy are resources too. I think if we have policies that help get 80% of all (not just LEED) new and renovated buildings to 40% improvement over a standard EUI - we'll be doing pretty darn good.
Eric Johnson
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February 10, 2011 - 1:26 pm
European buildings will be required to be close to zero energy by 2020.
http://www.sustainable-build.com/Articles/tabid/92/articleType/ArticleVi...
"By 2020 new buildings will have to consume “nearly zero” energy with a focus on renewables"
Shouldn't LEED or being sustainable be ahead of that or aim to be?
Jenny Carney
Vice PresidentWSP
LEEDuser Expert
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February 10, 2011 - 1:45 pm
The thought of working group is interesting, but I would suggest that an exclusive line up of PEs and architects is unnecessarily limited. The problem of realizing the promise of efficient design is unlikely to be solved without engaging operators and a slew of others as well.
Michele Helou
PrincipalSage Design & Consulting
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February 10, 2011 - 3:21 pm
Eric wrote 'Shouldn't LEED or being sustainable be ahead of that or aim to be?'
Yes, and a building that proves it was occupied without anyone freezing and Zero Net Energy over 2 years of metering should get all 19 EAc1 points - plus the 7 they probably needed for on-site renewables. No modeling docs should even be required - Zero is 100% improvement over any baseline.
Europe is free to set their own unrealistic policies - their buildings are more efficient but not zero - and their climate is milder. And most of their goals are carbon based - so I'm wondering how the nucs play into that equation. (France is 75% nucs, 1% clean renewables) If at the end of the day we solve the carbon problem with nuclear, I don't think we've solved much.
I think setting standards that are unattainable actually discourage. all I'm saying is 'spread the wealth' - 40% reduction across 75% is better than 100% reduction across a fraction of 1%. There is a huge cost, time, resource and 'embodied energy' increase to get to zero.
'take small steps - and quickly' was that Jane Jacobs? or Margaret Meade again?
and yes, Jenny, include energy and facility managers - but no vendors please - that is partly how we got here.
Eric Johnson
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February 10, 2011 - 4:25 pm
Which one is it? Zero Net Energy or unrealistic.
How do you get to zero energy buildings without modeling? Just by measuring performance? Someone has to figure out how to build a cost effective, aesthetically appealing, commercially viable building before you can measure anything. LEED seems to be marching on in that direction.
I agree the existing building stock does absolutely need to be included in the equation.
I think the Europeans are serious about their goal.