Forum discussion
NC-2009 EAp2: Minimum Energy Performance
Hello,
We are working on a project that uses heat reclaim as a source of energy for service hot water. Heat is reclaimed from the flue gases of a generator set that is used to complement the utility grid in providing electricity since the utility doesn't provide 24/7 electricity.
How can this reclaimed heat be modeled? And is this considered CHP and to be modeled according to the document titled: "Treatment of District or Campus Thermal Energy in LEED V2 and LEED 2009 – Design & Construction"?
LEEDuser is supported by our premium members, not by advertisers.
Go premium forTo post a comment, you need to register for a LEEDuser Basic membership (free) or login to your existing profile.
A portion of our building envelope is historic. Can we exclude it from our model?
For an existing building, do I need to rotate the model?
Our process load is higher than 25%. Do we have to justify that?
Our local code references ASHRAE 90.1-2010. Should I use that for my documentation, or 90.1-2007?
Can mezzanines open to floors below be excluded from the energy model?
How do I provide a zip code for an international location?
For a project outside the U.S., how do I determine the climate zone?
For a project outside the U.S., how do I determine the Target Finder score?
Do hotel rooms need automatic light shut-off control?
How commonly are the 90.1 mandatory compliance forms submitted as part of EAp2/EAc1?
The Section 9 space-by-space method does not include residential space types. What should I use?
Can the Passive House Planning Package (PHPP) be used to energy model for LEED?
Which baseline HVAC system do I use if my building has no heating or air conditioning?
Our project has a diesel backup generator. Should we include it in our energy model?
Can SHGC be higher in the proposed than in the baseline model?
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
LEEDuser Expert
5867 thumbs up
September 30, 2014 - 10:08 am
Yes that is CHP. In addition to the DESv2 there is guidance in CHP modeling in the Reference Guide.
Mario S.
27 thumbs up
October 1, 2014 - 6:03 am
Thank you for your reply Marcos.
We have indeed gone over the mentioned guidance in the reference guide and have the following query:
Case 1 "Same ownership, CHP inside building" - which is the case of our project - mentions that "electricity produced is considered free, as is the produced thermal energy";
Having 50% of electricity being produced by the generators (Utility grid only produces 50% of electricity), what is the rate charged to the proposed and baseline cases after the overall electrical energy demand has been simulated?
E.g. if we have 1000 MWh for the proposed case and 1100 MWh for the baseline case.
Proposed:
The calculation is done so that 500 MWh are charged according to the Utility grid rate and the other 500 MWh are considered free of charge?!
Baseline:
The calculation is done so that 550 MWh are charged according to the Utility grid rate and the other 550 MWh are considered free of charge?!
And according to the above rationale, where are the heat reclaim savings accounted for? Are they accounted for as reductions in the 500 MWh of the proposed? This seems a bit extreme because we will end up with very high cost savings.
Your advice is highly appreciated.
Khaled Fouda
Design Engineer, LEED AP (BD+C)Energy Concepts
9 thumbs up
October 1, 2014 - 9:33 am
Mario, I just had the same issue with the CHP that I was working on last week and what I would do in your case is showing the calculations as 1100 MWh for the Baseline and 1000 MWh for the Proposed, then I can show the reduction in the Exceptional Calculation Method section (ECM) by addressing the cost of the fuel needed for the CHP too, so it will look like (Saving $$: 500 MWh - Cost $$: CHP fuel and accessories)
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
LEEDuser Expert
5867 thumbs up
October 4, 2014 - 4:56 pm
The savings are offset by adding the cost of the fuel used to produce the electricity. So the electricity is not really free even though you do not assign a cost to it as the cost is already in the fuel used to produce it.