The following was a post by K Kraft on Jan 2, 2014 that did not receive a response - I would like to ask the same question as well as an additional question as follows:
Where does "normal support" begin and end, on a campus most everything is shared between multiple buildings. I ask specifically with regard to site lighting - if you have a Master Site, the individual LEED project boundaries could be pulled back to eliminate the need to include all of the shared site lighting and therefore benefit those individual projects. Where then is that site lighting energy picked up?
From K Kraft - "Hello. I have a follow-up question to Deborah's: Is it possible that an individual LEED project boundary associated with a Master Site is simply the building footprint? Also, since the parking spaces are allocated in the Master Site application, is it feasible that the number of parking spaces provided for building users be 0 on the individual project PI form? Or does this contradict the language in the 2010 AMGBC document (p.8) that states “LEED project boundary must include all land that is associated with and supports normal project operations...” Are parking spaces for employees of an office building considered to support normal project operations? Thank you for any guidance."
Thanks for a response to both questions.
Donald Green
Sr Project Manager / Operations ManagerProgressive AE
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June 10, 2014 - 2:08 pm
I have continued to look into this issue, the 4/1/14 Campus Guidance notes that you can prorate the site energy uses into the respective energy models. However if you have an existing Master Site and add a project does that mean you have to go back and adjust the energy models for all of the other LEED projects? - at the Owner's expense? I haven't found any document that provides clear language on this issue.
As well if you have an existing building with a Master Site and renovate it, there would be no reason to include site Lighting if you have no site work. The same could be said for new construction, only use the limits of disturbance and minimize any site energy use. So where does the site energy get picked up?
This seems like a gray area - any thoughts?
Thank you,
Donald Green
Sr Project Manager / Operations ManagerProgressive AE
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June 19, 2014 - 1:34 pm
Can anyone help on these issues, we need to resolve this to allow the projects to move forward.
Thank you,
Adrienn Gelesz
LEED APABUD Engineering Ltd.
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June 19, 2014 - 1:40 pm
HI Donald,
I think this is a very grey area, I have a lot of questions with master sites and boundaries myself.
Regarding the parking - I assume that the shared parking should be included in the project form. Parking can be ouside the LEED boundary in "normal" projects, this should be relevant to Mastersites as well. I plan to submit parking as a master site credit, showing either the proportionate no. of parking spaces, or hte total no, in any case, submitting a narrative about this.
Barry Giles
Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM FellowBuildingWise LLC
LEEDuser Expert
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June 19, 2014 - 2:06 pm
Donald, the LEED EB portion of the question is reasonably easy. If you are completing a LEED EB the parking areas are normally assigned to each building based on where the energy for the parking lighting is being delivered from. So a multiple building LEED EB will, from the electrical engineering as built drawing, assign square footages of parking to each building. This then provides the site boundary for each building and (usually) assigns landscaping as well. In a master site landscaping can of course be assigned globally...but not the energy because each building must create it's own energy star.