Hypothetically speaking, once building certification is approved upon final construction submittal/approval, what happens if the owner wants to change something? For instance, what if the owner finds that designated car pool spots are never used, can the owner remove them down the line? The project will have received credits for originally designating such parking. What if removing those credit points still would have meant that the building attained LEED, does it matter? How is the process of commitment followed once LEED is attained?
Along the same line of questioning, Regarding 2 phase submittal (Design & Construction): what happens if during construction, the design changes slightly, for instance, what if the designated parking spots are located elsewhere because the parking lot is determined to be striped differently? Design changes must happen during construction that could impact a previously anticipated credit that was submitted during Design Review. How does LEED address changes that occur during construction? Would we submit such revisions at Construction Review, thus the credit is reviewed again?
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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February 27, 2017 - 1:36 pm
There are no LEED police. As the system now exists no one follows up on anything except the energy and water performance, and even with that they would not remove the plaque for poor performance relative to what was claimed.
It only matters as it affects your own personal code of honoring your commitments.
In your example if I was the owner I would ask why they are not being used and seek a way to incentivize their use. Simply removing them means that all they were really interested in was earning a point for a plaque and do not understand or embrace the underlying intent behind it. Do they want a green building or a plaque that says they are? Can one build a green building and then operate it a way that is not green? If so is it a green building anymore? IMO LEED certification should require periodic re-certification throughout the operations phase. Unfortunately this kind of point-based system that does not continue into operations can all too often lead to a kind of morally bankrupt thinking, hypothetically speaking of course.
Kerry Honsinger
Reynolds Ash and Associates6 thumbs up
February 27, 2017 - 2:02 pm
Thank you Marcus, That is unfortunate, owners and professionals should be held accountable to the LEED commitment. Perhaps some sort of commitment should be incorporated into the requirements.
I have since edited/added to my initial question with a second part to the question, please address if you can... the part about what happens if during construction design changes slightly... is a 'resubmit' required? Design changes during construction must occur all the time after the initial design phase submittal.
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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February 27, 2017 - 2:11 pm
You are supposed to resubmit any design credits that are affected by changes during construction. I think you actually have to check a box that nothing changed during construction for the previously anticipated design credits provisionally awarded during the design review phases. So yes you get a third review associated with changes that occurred during construction, but not related to fixing something to avoid an appeal.
David Eldridge
Energy Efficiency NinjaGrumman/Butkus Associates
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February 27, 2017 - 3:54 pm
Kerry, there is a commitment - the application is being submitted with the statement that the information is true. If that commitment wasn't being honored, then that is a different issue.
For your example with the parking lot striping this would be covered by re-submitting the new design during construction review as Marcus had pointed out, so this isn't the same thing as changing things after construction, there is an easy pathway to submit the current information.
LEED isn't meant to restrict the owner in operating their building - if the needs of the property change after the project is occupied then the owner should do what they must. I would make a distinction between a re-striping project a week after the plaque shows up compared to changing needs six months later. Specifically for parking, the purpose of the preferred parking is to encourage behavior - the owner should be asking "why aren't these spots being used?" instead of automatically reverting them to standard parking spots...but that would be the difference between someone who really wants a green building and someone who only wants a marketing tool.
Regarding verification, that is one aspect of Green Globes that I like when the assessor visits the property they will see the parking as constructed so that some of those items that change late in the project can be assessed.
Lyle Axelarris
Building Enclosure ConsultantBPL Enclosure
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February 27, 2017 - 9:44 pm
Just wondering why nobody has mentioned EBOM yet.
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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February 28, 2017 - 4:12 am
What I was referring to earlier would require BD+C projects to earn EBOM in order to maintain their LEED certification. Unfortunately the EBOM uptake for BD+C projects is very small I think.
RETIRED
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March 4, 2017 - 4:03 pm
Marcus and all - Thanks for your excellent responses to Kerry's questions regarding what happens after construction.
I'd just like to note in regards to Marcus' comment about LEED Online that LEED Online v3 (LOv3) had the step where you had to verify all the design phase credits had not changed before moving into the Construction application phase but the new LEED Online (https://lo.usgbc.org/) does not have that verification step.
It is up to the thoroughness and integrity of the LEED project manager to track the design credits after Design and before the Construction Application submittal to ensure there are no changes that affected compliance. Typically, I e-mail all team members who completed Design phase documentation and ask them to respond (so that I have it in writing) that there are no changes that affected credit achievement. That way, I've done my due diligence.
Kerry Honsinger
Reynolds Ash and Associates6 thumbs up
March 4, 2017 - 4:01 pm
Thank you, Michelle, that is a good idea. I would also add the owner to that e-mail list.