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Insight for Revit

Has anyone used Insight for Revit to document the LEED Daylight Credit If so, would you recommend it?

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_Ilana

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Mon, 03/26/2018 - 20:54

I have for v2009 Ilana.  We had to refine it a bit when I did it (perhaps they have fixed it now) as it had 10 fc instead of 25 requirement and it didn't default to the days LEED v2009 required. Ian at Autodesk (ian.molloy@autodesk.com) can help troubleshoot should you need to.  It saved us quite a bit of money over sending it out of house.  Best of luck! 

Mon, 03/26/2018 - 21:26

We’ve used it on a number of projects (v3, v4, and just general daylight modeling) and seen relatively easy success with it. There was definitely time involved in manipulating room boundaries to only include “regularly occupied” areas and ensuring you don’t have overlapping floor planes (for more complicated Revit models). The below link to a tutorial was pretty helpful when we were getting started. https://forums.autodesk.com/autodesk/attachments/autodesk/19/1006/2/insight-lighting-analysis-help.pdf Jill Kurtz, AIA, LEED AP Page Sustainability Project Manager jkurtz@pagethink.com 713 658 2235 From: A

Tue, 03/27/2018 - 13:39

I have for v2009 as well for LEED documentation w/ success (i.e. credit approved). I second Ara that I had to do some manipulation of result (not the fc issue, but had to overlap 2 separate compliant areas to get the final), but it was a straight forward process. I don't think Revit fixed the issue as of last November.. spoke to Ian at the Greenbuild and Autodesk is aware of the issue. They may never fix the output as many projects are moving on to v4... you never know.. Good luck!
 

Sat, 03/31/2018 - 14:46

We have recently used the daylighting tool in revit on a few projects.  I asked the person that ran the simulations for her thoughts: It is a detailed process – the analysis even suggests changing the RGB value of the glass in Material Properties to simulate the visible transmittance value. There is also a way to identify where “Automatic Shades” are located in the building in the lighting analysis room schedule, which can help you achieve points.   I would also say I ran into the issue of running the analysis on each floor separately (because I wanted to make sure it was working properly before spending a lot of cloud credits). l contacted Autodesk about it, but there is no way to combine them afterwards unless you export to Excel. Basically, if running a final analysis, select all of the floors at one time before submitting. We have not gone thru a review comment period yet so we are curious to see what feedback we get.  My biggest take away so far is the documentation time is much less using Revit than creating diagrams and narratives.

Sun, 04/01/2018 - 21:16

We have for LEED CI v4, it was pretty simple, once you address the glass objects, or family, or nested family.  As long as you get all the glass object material properties straightened out and all the room objects defined, its pretty good.  Bear in mind there is a plug-in called 'LAR' lighting for revit, and Insight 360.  they used to be separate (revit 2015/16) but i think they are merging them in Revit 2017/18.  i cannot keep track of all the in's and outs of Autodesk packages.

Mon, 04/02/2018 - 19:34

We have used Insight for LEED projects (and for general daylight studies) and it's been a huge success simply because the barriers between the working/design model and the daylight model are much fewer than with other tools we've tried.  Related to the ASE addendum, I posted to their Autodesk forum back in October - they said they were working on fixing the issue. Perhaps if a few of us "bump" this thread back to the top, they'll prioritize and get it done? I'm not a programmer but it seems like a straightforward fix. Login and comment here: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/lighting-solar-analysis-forum/leed-v4-ase-addendum-10-20/td-p/7395232

Fri, 04/27/2018 - 16:06

Ilana, We are sending in the documentation very soon for a LEED v4 project using Revit for daylighting compliance (Core and Shell building). It has been very simple for Option 2, and the online resources were all we needed. We are struggling with Autodesk issues in documenting Option 1 which would give us 2 points (we think) – the software keeps giving us errors and not completing the analysis. Autodesk, in recent discussions, believes the issue has do with having Shared Coordinates between the model we are trying to do daylighting in and the Site model. Evidently since the base point (0,0,0) is really far away from the rooms, Revit attempts to analyze the entire area which leads to both 1) a great number of cloud credits being used and 2) an eventual crash. Once coordinates are shared in Revit we do not know how to un-share them. (my kids could lead a master class in un-sharing) I think the key to successful design simulation is sequential iterations and since Autodesk charges cloud credits for every iteration this makes sequential iterations much less likely to happen on a given project. We may use Revit for eventual documentation of projects, but will stick with Diva and other software for design-informing simulation. -Kjell ................................................................. Kjell Anderson AIA, LEED AP Associate Director of Sustainable Design LMN 801 Second Avenue, Suite 501 Seattle, WA 98104 T 206 682 3460 lmnarchitects.com<%20lmnarchitects.com%20> F

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