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Including ASHRAE Standard 209 in AIA Standard Contract Docs

I have reached out to the AIA staff members that I work with on the Energy Leadership Group (AIA ELG) to see about getting into the cycle of updating these standard documents.  Another member of the ELG, architect Kjell Anderson of LMN in Seattle, is interested in working with us on this effort, as he has started including Standard 209 language in his firm's consultant agreements.

The ugly news is that AIA updates its suite of Contract Documents on a ten-year cycle, and the current set of docs is the 2017 version.  So, unless something out of the ordinary happens, a revision that includes a reference to Standard 209 might not appear until the 2027 versions.

One thought that Kjell and I have discussed is that we could generate a few Standard 209 paragraphs that we could distribute via the Green Gurus forum for review, comment and adoption.

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Thu, 08/29/2019 - 19:08

Love this idea and would be happy to help wordsmith said paragraphs if needed - from an engineering and energy modeling perspective. Though it's likely that 209 will be updated by the 2027 documents are rolled out too, of course. As you probably know, ASHRAE standards are typically developed on a 3-year cycle, so maybe a draft inclusion section now and then again when the est. 209-2027 version is released?  As I'm new to the group, I don't know for sure, but I assume some of the Project or Standards committee members are part of this forum? 

Thu, 08/29/2019 - 22:05

Sarah Welcome. Yes, I was a member of the SPC, and Kjell Anderson was the major architectural commenter and contributor to 209. A short update: Nadav and I participated in a call with the AIA staff who run the contract docs program. It looks like we might have an opportunity to get a few words about using building performance simulation as a design tool into the D503 Guide to Sustainable Projects doc, but any chances to amend the C401 have sailed until the next major review cycle. AIA has a policy of not referencing standards in their contract docs, which seems a little odd to me, but there you are – it won’t say “comply with ASHRAE Standard 209-2018…”. By the way, one of the AIA staff people that we talked with is a lawyer who used to be an engineer. That makes the 4th or 5th one of those I’ve run across, but I’ve never heard of the reverse career path (a lawyer becoming an engineer). I think that this is further proof of the second law of thermodynamics. Since you’ve volunteered, I’ll add you to our little task group. Kim Kim E Shinn, PE, LEED Fellow, BEMP Principal | Sustainability Wizard | PEAK Institute kim.shinn@tlc-eng.com TLC ENGINEERING SOLUTIONS 12 Cadillac Dr., Ste 150 Brentwood, TN 37027 Cell: 615.394.4297 www.tlc-engineers.com 

Thu, 09/12/2019 - 14:26

Just an update for everyone interested in this thread.  The AIA has proposed to incorporate a brief mention of Standard 209 into their D503 Sustainability Guide - I have uploaded the excerpt containing the 209 language to our Advocacy folder (Standard 209_D503_Current Juris Rqmts_Shinn_2019.09.09.docx).  When I say "proposed", the updates to the new D503 still must be approved by AIA's Contract Documents Committee over the next few months.  If it makes it through that gauntlet, the updated Guide is due to be published in the Summer of 2020, The Year of Perfect Vision. In the meantime, I will be working with our small group of 209 enthusiasts (Sarah, Sergio, Kjell, and any other interested parties) to draft some suggested RFP and Agreement language that will then be posted to the larger Green Gurus Forum for discussion, and hopefully, adoption by that group of industry leaders.  If it becomes widespread practice to use 209 as the framework for defining BPS scope, perhaps we can persuade AIA to include it in the revision of the C401 series in 2027.  

Tue, 11/12/2019 - 20:06

We have a finished draft of the Standard 209 scope document.  Before we launch this onto the Worldwide Green Guru forum, we wanted to give the SMEPLs a chance to do comments and suggestions. Big thanks to the task group that helped create the draft:  Sarah Gudeman, Paul Erickson, and Sergio Sadaba from the SMEPLs and Kjell Anderson and Jason Hainline from the SDLs.  Thanks also go to Gwen Fuertes, Jason Glazer, Erik Kolderup, Peter Alspach, Ale Menchaca, Jim Bradburn, Harry Flamm, Erica Weeks, and other contributors from Green GuruLand. I would like to post this over to Green Gurus for their use and comment (after all, this doc is essentially for them to use) no later than the Monday after GreenBuild.

Fri, 11/22/2019 - 16:29

Friendly nudge and reminder to my SMEPL brethren and sistren:  I need your comments and edits of the proposed 209 scope of work exhibit by CoB Monday, 25 Nov 19.  

Mon, 11/25/2019 - 16:22

Hi Kim.  My thoughts are attached.  Nice work on this all!!

Mon, 11/25/2019 - 16:22

Kim and team - thanks for your efforts on this. Having a more standardized RFP out there for our architect and procurement friends is most welcome. Admittedly, I haven't been able to do a deep dive into Standard 209 yet, so some of these comments may already be picked up there (and I may now have identified my holiday reading assignment). But with that said, I looked at the SOW document and had a few comments/suggestions based on what I'm seeing happen out there when I'm working with owners and a bunch of different design teams:
  1. In the "Project Goals" section, I'd suggest an example that includes language for Architecture 2030. Seems like every architecture firm out there has signed up for it, but I rarely see the PMs bring it up early in the performance target setting without being nudged. Standardizing a requirement for a 2030 deliverable as part of the process (a formal report at the Post-Design stage?) might make those people in their firms who have to do the reporting every year a lot happier knowing it's already done and not being calculated after the fact (no, I've never seen that done...).   
  2. Daylighting analysis is still a hot potato way too often. The MEP modeler often excludes it, and the architect thinks the lighting designer is doing it (they're not).  Making it very clear whether that's in scope or not would help. The SOW reference daylighting in Construction Docs, but it should also be in SD/DD. This may be referenced in some of the embedded 209 references, but if it's not explicitly addressed in this SOW, you'll still get divergence on the proposals.
  3. Since this is a "Building Performance Simulation" SOW, and not just an "Energy Modeling SOW", I'd recommend addressing my previous comment by putting a matrix in that defines what is typically considered Building Performance Simulation and the responsible party. This could include Climate Studies, Energy Analysis, Load Reduction Modeling, Daylighting, Thermal Comfort, Natural Ventilation, etc. I see a ton of variability among teams in terms of what's in scope and on the table for being analyzed to achieve the performance goals. We're also seeing more interesting collaboration and sharing of the modeling responsibilities too, so having a way to define this clearly would help some of those teams.
  4. In that matrix, it would also be helpful to clarify who is responsible for what LEED docs, especially since one model could be used for energy, daylight and thermal comfort - but they could also be calculated and submitted by multiple firms. 
  5. Who owns the model (or at least can use it)? This should be defined, as we're increasingly seeing models bridging from design into operations and MBCx. This was an issue with M&V scope between CxAs and modeling firms, and will continue to be with MBCx moving forward.  
Again, nice work and much appreciated. Hopefully some of these comments are helpful!

Tue, 11/26/2019 - 21:37

Adam: Thanks for taking the time to comment.  
  1. RE your comment about showing modeling cycle 3 as required under Standard 209.  I like the idea of adding the Lime Green [required] to item 6.a.iii.
  2. RE your comments about the exclusions and clarifications being in the energy modeling consultant's voice.  I'll change into my all-black outfit, put on my round reading specs and see if I can summon my architect's voice.
  3. RE your comment about the 9th exclusion item on studying the actual operating data, I am amenable to deleting this exclusion, since having actual operating data helps inform the modeling, if it is available. 

Tue, 11/26/2019 - 22:02

Pete Thanks for taking the time to review and comment.  RE your comments:
  1. You might have been speed reading, but I did include a suggestion about 2030 in the Project Goals section:  “The project is to be designed to achieve a predicted Energy Use Intensity that will meet the 2030 Challenge goal of no greater than 43 kBtu/sf/yr”.  I'm going to revise that a bit to take out the 43 and replace it with "[XX]".
  2. Daylighting analysis is not dealt with as a specific service in 209.  Since daylight-responsive controls are now a mandatory code requirement, any analysis that is required to evaluate code conformance will by needs include that.  However, I think that daylight and glare analyses, e.g., ASE and SDa, are services separate from this scope of work and I am inclined to list them as exclusions from this SOW.  I am open to persuasion, however, especially if someone has some suggested phrasing.
  3. Thanks for the suggestion of a matrix of other services.  At this point, I am inclined to push this doc over to the larger forum without it, and to see if that suggestion comes up from the architects.  I would like to keep this exhibit to short-story length, in the hopes that it actually gets some traction.
  4. See #3 above.  On the subject of LEED documentation of the energy prereq and credit, please note that item 6.d.i includes editorial suggestions for specifically including this.
  5. Thanks for bringing up the ownership of the model.  I will include this as a clarification, noting that the model is the property of the energy modeling consultant.

Wed, 11/27/2019 - 20:03

I agree that daylight modeling scope should perhaps somehow be addressed with the same specificity as energy modeling - since it's oftentimes assumed to be lumped in with some other services, as Pete mentions. But ultimately I agree with Kim that it makes the most sense to list as an exclusion for this effort. Something to consider more in the future - potentially even in future Std. 209 editions.  

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