Greetings,
There are some more details about this issue, for which I'd appreciate very much some clarifications.
Regarding the modeling approach for garage ventilation in the Baseline, it should follow ASHRAE 62 and applying air flow rate of 0.7 cfm/sq.ft. This however is the exhaust rate and there is nothing mention for the ventilation supply.
In some projects the project design envisages a slight heating (or semiheating conditions) in the garage areas during the winter months (for various reasons including sprinkler concept). For such a situation a heating could be provided only if there are supply ventilation like in the project design.
Regarding the Baseline how should such situation be simulated. Could it be either:
- the system to be considered like System 9/10 and rate 0.7 cfm/sq.ft to applied as the total air quantities or …?
- If there are heating needs then how the DCV requirements for garages to be applied?
Your assistance in clearing these details is highly appreciated.
Thanks
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Hirav Joshi
Energy EngineerWSP USA
August 22, 2017 - 10:41 am
Hi Vassil
If your design includes supply and exhaust both, than I would include supply and exhaust in baseline as well and calculate fan power as 0.75*AREA*0.3.
Please note that, any spaces provided with less than 15 btu/hr of heating is considered as unconditioned space, so in that case you can model your garage as unconditioned space. For baseline, if you choose system 9/10, than fan control should be constant and you won't be able to provide savings from DCV. I would suggest creating exceptional calculations without considering effect of heating. Please refer to 2015 ASHRAE Handbook - HVAC applications, Figure 16 for fan schedule in Garage spaces.
Vassil Vassilev
ManagerTermoservice
13 thumbs up
August 22, 2017 - 11:51 am
Hi Hirav,
Thanks for your reply.
There is heating in these garages and it should support a min. temp of 5 deg C during the day only (night operation and weekends are off), so it hardly could be classified as unconditioned.
In the ASHRAE Hanbook is written that on/off controll is also possible, so it could be applied to CV systems like System 9 (in our case).
My idea is to model the Baseline following System 9 because there is heated area anyway. The project design is with variable speed drive fans and it follows a strict CO control, so my question is:
Should I create an excep. calc. just to argument the less power consumption of the Proposed.
Thanks for you assistance.
Tyler Thumma
7GroupLEEDuser Expert
67 thumbs up
August 22, 2017 - 2:01 pm
Vassil,
I am assuming your Proposed heating system operates independently from the exhaust ventilation system, and no outside air is supplied by the heating system as makeup air for the exhaust. If this is the case, the Baseline heating system would also function independently from the exhaust system. The heating systems in both cases would cycle to maintain the heating temperature setpoint and supply no outside air. Makeup air for the exhaust system would be supplied by infiltration.
The Baseline system type used would depend on 1) whether the garage meets the ASHRAE 90.1-2007 definition of an "enclosed space", and 2) if the garage is an "enclosed space" whether it meets the definition of a "heated space" based on whether the heating capacity of the Proposed system exceeds the climate zone's heated space criteria in ASHRAE 90.1-2007 Table 3-1. If the garage can be defined as both enclosed and heated, the Baseline should be modeled using System 9/10. If the garage cannot be defined as enclosed and/or heated the Baseline heating system would be modeled identically to the Proposed system.
Hirav Joshi
Energy EngineerWSP USA
August 22, 2017 - 5:04 pm
Here is the comment I received from GBCI, when DCV modeled using system type 9/10 in one of my energy model.
"Credit has been taken for demand controlled ventilation for the parking garage. Per LEED Interpretation 10371, the project team must demonstrate that the Baseline Case has been modeled consistent with the referenced section, and this measure must be modeled as an Exceptional Calculation Measure (ECM). In order for approval, the following conditions must be met. Address each of the followings:
a. Baseline Case shall meet the requirements of ASHRAE 90.1-2010, Section 6.4.3.4.5 Enclosed Parking Garage Ventilation. It is noted that Baseline fan volume shall be based on the minimum required ASHRAE 62.1 parking ventilation rates of 0.75 cfm/square foot. However, Baseline system fan power shall be calculated at 0.3 watts per CFM.
b. Proposed Case shall reflect the actual design. Evidence shall be provided documenting that demand control ventilation strategies are sufficient to automatically detect contaminant levels of concern in parking garages (Carbon Monoxide, Particulates, VOCs, etc. and NO2) and modulate airflow such that contaminant levels are maintained below specified contaminant concentration as identified in ASHRAE 62.1-2010 Addendum d. Evidence shall also be provided that contaminant sensors are placed in space in an appropriate manner for detection of contaminant in question and that the sensors be calibrated yearly.
c. It is noted that the Proposed Case was modeled such that a minimum air flow of 0.05 cfm/square foot is maintained.
d. A narrative shall describe all Baseline and Proposed Case assumptions included for this measure, and the calculation methodology used to determine the projected savings. The narrative and energy savings should be reported separately from the other efficiency measures in the LEED Form.
e. It is noted that only 58% fan energy savings are obtained from garage DCV system in the Proposed model which is less than a 75% fan energy savings that claimed for this measure."
Vassil Vassilev
ManagerTermoservice
13 thumbs up
August 23, 2017 - 3:19 am
Thanks for all of the replies.
It has been very helpful.
On final question though.
Our garage spaces are enclosed and correspond to the qualification of semiheated space. It is arranged by supply and exhaust ventilation whereby the heating is provided by the supply ventilation. So I assume System 9 can't be applied to Baseline. If so, then heating load can't be identical because the air flows are different.
Practically it'll follow CIR 10371, the fan power will be process load and heating load will be entered as calculated, base on the temp. difference between OA and room set point times the respective air flows of Proposed and Baseline.
Is this OK up to your practise?
Thanks a lot for your advices.
Tyler Thumma
7GroupLEEDuser Expert
67 thumbs up
August 23, 2017 - 8:29 am
You are correct that since it is semiheated the Baseline should not be modeled with System 9. The Baseline system should be an identical system type to the Proposed system, but yes the loads will be different due to the DCV.