Is a drawing review of the building envelope required by EAp1 Fundamental Cx if Enhanced Option 2 is not being pursued?
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NC-v4 EAp1: Fundamental commissioning and verification
Is a drawing review of the building envelope required by EAp1 Fundamental Cx if Enhanced Option 2 is not being pursued?
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For a building with individual systems per unit, does every single system need to be commissioned?
What kinds of projects must the CxA demonstrate experience on?
What level of authority does the CxA have towards correcting inaccurate or erroneous construction?
Can the CxA be a member of the design or construction team?
Paula Melton
Editorial DirectorBuildingGreen, Inc.
LEEDuser Moderator
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March 6, 2018 - 2:49 pm
Steve, building envelope commissioning is only required if you are pursuing the Enhanced Cx credit, Option 2.
Dan Forino
Regional DirectorHorizon Engineering Associates
58 thumbs up
March 6, 2018 - 2:58 pm
Paula, I disagree. Per the reference guide as it pertains to the Fundamental Commissioning and Verification pre-requisite in v4 "Requirements for exterior enclosures are limited to inclusion in the owner’s project requirements (OPR) andbasis of design (BOD), as well as the review of the OPR, BOD and project design....The review of the exterior enclosure design may be performed by a qualified member of the design or construction team (or an employee of that firm) who is not directly responsible for design of the building envelope."
Paula Melton
Editorial DirectorBuildingGreen, Inc.
LEEDuser Moderator
183 thumbs up
March 6, 2018 - 3:04 pm
Thanks, Dan! I read that as well, but does it suggest to you that drawing reviews are required for Fundamental Commissioning?
Paul Swierc
Senior Commissioning Agent20 thumbs up
March 6, 2018 - 3:08 pm
The industry seems to question this requirement constantly. To me, yes, "review of the OPR, BOD, and PROJECT DESIGN" does mean that drawings pertaining to the design of the building envelope should be reviewed as part of the Fundamental Cx scope.
Dan Forino
Regional DirectorHorizon Engineering Associates
58 thumbs up
March 6, 2018 - 3:12 pm
Agreed, the drawing review is required for mid design documents (50% DD for example), for the Fundamental Commissioning. This is a deviation from a LEED v3 project, which we have also seen cause some confusion as previous versions did not include Envelope Commissioning (pilot credit) and did not require a design review in the Fundamental Commissioning requirements.
Steve Connelly
March 6, 2018 - 4:20 pm
Just to clarify, a drawing review of the envelope (not commissioning) is not required in v4 Fundamental, only when Enhanced Option 2 is being pursued? The verbiage in Fundamental is clear that the CxA must verify the envelope is addressed in the OPR and BOD but the design review requirement for envelope is not clear.
Steve Connelly
March 6, 2018 - 4:47 pm
Has LEED issued an interpretation or clarification related to this?
Dan Forino
Regional DirectorHorizon Engineering Associates
58 thumbs up
March 7, 2018 - 8:58 am
Our interpretation of "review of the OPR, BOD and Project Design" includes a drawing review required for v4 Fundamental. Looking through Credit Interpretation Requests and Addenda nothing is coming up addressing this issue.
Scott Bowman
LEED FellowIntegrated Design + Energy Advisors, LLC
LEEDuser Expert
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March 15, 2018 - 1:39 pm
I agree with Dan on this one. Frankly, this is something I commented in every review of v4 that I made. Under fundamental, the CxA is to make sure the envelope is addressed in OPR and BOD and there is a design review of the envelope by someone not part of the design team (perhaps a principal in the firm not assigned to the project for example). I had many conversations with people key to the changes in the Cx credits (and we are still friends even though I disagree with the final wording) and discussed this very point. The intent was to start pushing for a future where envelope Cx is a prerequisite and this was the first step.
Paula Melton
Editorial DirectorBuildingGreen, Inc.
LEEDuser Moderator
183 thumbs up
March 16, 2018 - 10:22 am
Thanks for cogitating and clarifying, everyone! Steve, do you feel like you got the answer you needed?
Steve Connelly
March 16, 2018 - 12:22 pm
The consensus is that a drawing review of the envelope is required under Fundamental. I wish LEED was more precise on the verbiage so that there was no need to question.
Erin Rowe
March 20, 2018 - 8:41 am
I have a very related question. What about envelope drawing review for a LEED V.4 IDC - TI project, where the envelope was not touched or included in the TI Scope? In this case, I assumed it was not necessary to include anything related to the envelope for V4. Fundamental or Enhanced, if it is not included in the project scope? In a project I'm working on the envelope isn't be touched and is part of the landlord's building, but the MEP systems are included. Is that consistent with what others have experienced?
Dan Forino
Regional DirectorHorizon Engineering Associates
58 thumbs up
May 16, 2018 - 9:11 am
Erin - that would be correct, Envelope for an IDC-TI project would be excluded from your project.
marc myers
November 30, 2018 - 9:55 pm
There is no precise language anywhere in the LEED v4 Reference Guide for Building Design and Construction documentation under Fundamental Commissioning Prerequisite EAp1 that specifically says a "Design Review" of the envelope is "REQUIRED".
It appears that there are experts who can argue either way for this and since the language is not precise and there is not an exact Credit Interpretation Request and Addenda that states "UNEQUIVOCALLY" that a "Design Review" of the envelope must or is required than the answer that should be accepted is that only the Review of the OPR and the BOD is to be performed.
Please see the references below:
V4.1-
https://www.usgbc.org/node/11963667?return=/credits/new-construction/v4.1/energy-%26amp%3B-atmosphere
“Requirements for exterior enclosures are limited to inclusion in the owner’s project requirements (OPR) and basis of design (BOD), as well as the review of the OPR, BOD and project design. ASTM E2947-16: Standard Guide for Building Enclosure Commissioning provides additional guidance.”
V4.0-
https://leeduser.buildinggreen.com/credit/NC-v4/EAp1#tab-credit-language
“Requirements for exterior enclosures are limited to inclusion in the owner’s project requirements (OPR) and basis of design (BOD), as well as the review of the OPR, BOD and project design. NIBS Guideline 3-2012 for Exterior Enclosures provides additional guidance.”
Garrett Ferguson
Senior Sustainability ManagerJLL
10 thumbs up
May 14, 2019 - 4:28 pm
Just following up on this, since it still seems to be confusing in my opinion (and I can't really tell that a consensus was ever reached. The LEED Step-By-Step Guidance says the following, which I think is still confusing:
"The OPR must include all systems to be commissioned plus the building envelope, even if full envelope commissioning is not pursued."
and
"The BOD must include all systems to be commissioned plus the building envelope, even if full envelope commissioning is not pursued. The project engineer, architect, structural engineer, and other team members must work together to document building envelope thermal performance, load-bearing capabilities, and construction."
So, it sounds like we have to at least talk about it, but it's not required to actually be commissioned?
Scott Bowman
LEED FellowIntegrated Design + Energy Advisors, LLC
LEEDuser Expert
519 thumbs up
May 25, 2019 - 12:12 am
Garrett, I agree that even if the envelope is existing and not being changed in the scope of the project, at least describing the envelope and condition would be appropriate. You would only need to do commissioning if you pursue the envelope commissioning.