Hello All,
Can you please provide your insight? We have a NC project in Mexico on the cusp of LEED platinum and we've just received our prelim review which asks us to justify our uneven split between male and female occupants, instead of 50/50.
We have historical data for 10 years documenting that the factory is primarily male, and we anticipate it will remain that way for the next 5-10 years or longer.
The nature of the factory work, plus the culture of males working and women staying home in Mexican society are both factors.
How do we document this?
Devon Bertram
Sustainability ManagerYR&G
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February 22, 2012 - 3:22 pm
Hi Marni,
Did you provide any justification in the initial submittal to detail why there was an uneven split between male and female occupants? Or is this the response from GBCI after providing the historical data info?
Marni J Evans
PrincipalRevitaliza International
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February 22, 2012 - 3:30 pm
Yes, we provided a narrative describing the split and the rationale, but no past records to support staffing historically. Technical Advice includes, "If project specific conditions exist where an alternative ratio is justified for the lifespan of the building, provide a narrative and supporting documentation to confirm that the ratio applies for the life of the building. Note that current staffing levels or historic human resource data alone is not sufficient to justify an alternative ratio. Supporting documentation must include trend data forecasting forward that indicates the unequal gender ratio will likely exist for the life of the building."
Devon Bertram
Sustainability ManagerYR&G
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February 22, 2012 - 4:50 pm
This sounds like a tricky one to respond to. Can you provide historical and trend data? It may be hard to argue that this unequal gender ratio would remain for the life of the building without the forecasting data.
Amy Rider
Sustainability ManagerKEMA Services
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February 22, 2012 - 5:23 pm
I suggest using your historic numbers plus a 10% adjustment for the addition of women in the workforce. This should allow similar savings projections, but give enough of a buffer for change over time.
Be sure to provide an thorough explanation, similar to your justification in your inquiry above for why those historic numbers are relevant.
Jonathan Weiss
Jacobs Buildings & Infrastructure215 thumbs up
February 22, 2012 - 5:29 pm
The rulings of the LEED reivewers has been pretty consistent recently - historical / trend data is not usually acceptable, only a sort of structural definition - a single-sex school, for example. It may be Amy's recommended process will be acceptable, but I'm afraid to say that it has not been our experience.
Marni J Evans
PrincipalRevitaliza International
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February 22, 2012 - 6:16 pm
Thanks all for your responses - while we can provide the historical data it's not clear to me how to present the future trends.
I like Amy's suggestion, which seems reasonable, and may give it a shot - or may just play it safe with the 50/50. I'll talk it over with the team.
Cheers!
Kath Williams
LEED Fellow 2011, PrincipalKath Williams + Associates
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May 12, 2012 - 10:39 am
How was this case resolved? Our projects that our factories outside USA are staffed by 95% men. For two out of the three projects, the reviewers required 50/50. Historical data and the 10% bump for women in the future did not pass.
Michelle Rosenberger
PartnerArchEcology
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May 12, 2012 - 10:54 am
Hi Kath,
Not to jump in the middle. We're not an NC project, but we have been in mid review pursuing a non 50/50 gender split for a technology firm on a CI with a provable 75/25 gender balance among staff of their firm and the industry itself. We offered 10 years historic data and 10 years of future projection and were told we would have to substantiate this gender split for the life of the building.
Since we're not an NC project, we did not believe we could be held to a life of the building standard when we were only a tenant and had no control over the building. However, that was their ruling. So I can definitely support that they are sticking to the life of the building as the yardstick for deviation.
Anybody know where the 50/50 gender split comes from as a standard?
Michelle Robinson Schwarting
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May 14, 2012 - 8:00 am
For those pursing non-50/50 splits, are your buildings designed for the unequal split -- i.e. do you have larger male restrooms compared to fewer female fixtures? I believe that would also qualify for an unequal ratio.
Kath Williams
LEED Fellow 2011, PrincipalKath Williams + Associates
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May 14, 2012 - 8:59 am
The factories in our projects have larger and more male restrooms than female restrooms but the reviewers still said calculations needed to be 50/50. I understand the position of anticipating the future when one reviewer used "Rosie the Riveter" as an example of a drastic shit in workforce due to an unanticipated influences from world events. It was just difficult to explain to the client why we did not earn the water credits when we did almost everything possible to be efficient..
Michelle Robinson Schwarting
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May 14, 2012 - 9:06 am
VERY interesting that they rejected that despite the building being designed for more men.
Per the Water Use Reduction Additional Guidance document (http://www.usgbc.org/ShowFile.aspx?DocumentID=6493) if projects are specifically designed for an alternative gender ratio where flush and flow fixtures have been distributed to account for the modified ratio, then that is an acceptable reason for an uneven ratio. (You have to show that the code-required plumbing fixture counts per gender vs. the flush-fixture ratio installed in the project supports the alternative gender ratio claimed.)
Jonathan Weiss
Jacobs Buildings & Infrastructure215 thumbs up
May 14, 2012 - 9:09 am
This strikes me as something that should be reviewed by the TAG. I can understand that GBCI wants us to confirm the true potential split and future split, because it is defending against project teams that are gaming the system - toilet rooms with urinals can save a lot more water. But clearly the examples above are from good faith efforts to clearly and meticulously show a consistent unequal gender balance for the forseeable future. There has to be something between "only for a monastery" and "whatever the team says" that makes sense for projects like these. It's likely that if these plumbing strategies are good for 10 or 15 years, by that time there will be other technologies / issues out there that will change the question more significantly than gender split in 2012.