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NC-2009 SSc4.3: Alternative Transportation—Low-Emitting and Fuel-Efficient Vehicles
I have seen a similar post to this in 2012 and I was wondering if anyone has since then successfully implemented this strategy by using a combination of fueling stations and preferred parking for fuel efficient vehicles, specifically for a high-rise apartment building?
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Do all hybrid vehicles automatically qualify for this credit?
How should the signage read for preferred parking spaces?
For electric vehicle charging stations, how are the parameters established for fueling capacity?
I am working on a project with no parking spaces allocated. Can I earn this credit?
Tristan Roberts
RepresentativeVermont House of Representatives
LEEDuser Expert
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November 1, 2013 - 9:19 am
Could you be more specific about how you would combine the options? I don't recall seeing a precedent for this, but I could imagine it might work depending on specifics.
V B
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November 1, 2013 - 3:15 pm
Our client is developing several multi-family high-rises in Houston, Texas. We would like to pursue charging stations but it’s working out, practically. Additionally, because the high-rises have 15+ stories, the percentage that needs to be designated parking with signage is quite high.
For these reasons we would like to explore the possibility of doing a combination of the two strategies to get “the best of both world’s” if you will. However it would not be an a straight 50/50 split between the two. It would realistically be more like 30/70 fueling to signage ratio.
Do you know if something like this would be doable? I haven't been able to find any CIR's or documents that would help us.
Helen Kessler
PresidentHJKessler Associates
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November 1, 2013 - 3:27 pm
Yikes! I have assumed (I know, it's dangerous to "assume") that a combination would be acceptable and am doing that on a project. However, we have not yet submitted and don't expect to submit for design review for a year. We have a lot of parking spaces - call it 2,000. Based on that number, we would designate 50 for LE/FEV and 30 for electric fueling stations.
Tristan Roberts
RepresentativeVermont House of Representatives
LEEDuser Expert
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November 1, 2013 - 3:30 pm
Thanks for the detail—I understand better what you're going for. I am not aware of a precedent or existing credit language that would allow this kind of combination of options. My suggestion would be to put together a very specific proposal of how you would do the math, making sure you're really covering both bases adequately, and email GBCI with the query. Let us know what you find out.
emily reese moody
Sustainability Director, Certifications & ComplianceJacobs
LEEDuser Expert
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November 1, 2013 - 3:39 pm
We may be considering a very similar strategy, and have not found any good precedent for this approach. We have around 300 spaces. We will likely put together our approach and ask our GBCI contact for feedback.
I will also post when this occurs. It should be sooner than the above project.
V B
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November 1, 2013 - 4:36 pm
Great, thank you all. Will let you know what I find out.
V B
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January 7, 2014 - 2:25 pm
Emily, I am curious to know if you got any feedback on this strategy from your GBCI contact?
emily reese moody
Sustainability Director, Certifications & ComplianceJacobs
LEEDuser Expert
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January 9, 2014 - 4:01 pm
Hi there,
Our client decided to change their approach and just supply enough charging stations alone to meet the credit intent; they were only 2 shy of the LEED requirement after being required to provide 8 by the city. So, unfortunately for the forum (though easier for us), we did not seek guidance on the alternative approach. Sorry!
Brianne Smith
ArchitectRB+B Architects
March 25, 2014 - 2:15 pm
Is it possible to assume that a charging station near the building is a preferred parking location for low-e/fuel efficient vehicles?
Kathryn West
LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Green Globes ProfessionalJLL
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March 25, 2014 - 2:28 pm
I would not 100% count on this because it's mixing compliance options 1 &2. It might get through but it'd be a gamble without a CIR. It would probably get marked pending in the initial review and maybe if you have a great narrative it could get approved in the final review.
See the FAQs. "Can a project pursue this credit via a combination of Option 1 (preferred parking) and Option 2 (alternative fueling stations)?"
Answer: "This would probably be approved by LEED, depending on specifics, but you would need to get an official ruling—either a CIR or LEED Interpretation."