This police facility has a secure area for police cruisers, SWAT vehicles, and so on. None of the fleet vehicles are Green vehicles. (Police cruisers are essentially racecars, as you might expect, and aren't Green.) There is a public parking area, to access a large community room. There are sufficient spaces in the public area that we could implement Preferred Parking for Green Vehicles and also Electric Vehicle Charging in the public area. Preferred parking for Green vehicles in the fleet area would simply be permanently empty spaces, so we see no reason to put any there. Is this going to fly with a reviewer?
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emily reese moody
Sustainability Director, Certifications & ComplianceJacobs
LEEDuser Expert
476 thumbs up
January 11, 2018 - 6:42 pm
I have not had this issue with a police station yet, but I have had comparable Federal projects that have dedicated parking for Military Owned Vehicles (MOVs). For those projects, we are not required to count the MOV spaces in the total parking count; we only have to consider the total parking for Privately Owned Vehicles (POVs). We still have to calculate the MOV areas in other site credits like for hardscape, vegetation, LEED Boundary, etc., but not in parking space counts.
There may have been a CIR on the topic way back when, but I've never had to cite it in my documentation, and it has not come back with any issues over numerous projects. I know LEED doesn't always follow logic, but to me, a police or fire station would/should be able to use the same approach. If you can find a CIR, it would probably be worth emailing LEEDCoach with the specific reference and asking for clarification on applicability.
Lawrence Lile
Chief EngineerLile Engineering, LLC
76 thumbs up
January 11, 2018 - 7:01 pm
Thanks! I had a similar experience in a facility for a landfill - the parking for garbage trucks was not counted in parking, although the materials were counted for recycled and local content, etc etc. We'll see if we can't steer toward this tactic. I'll try to find that CIR unless you have a handy reference for it.
emily reese moody
Sustainability Director, Certifications & ComplianceJacobs
LEEDuser Expert
476 thumbs up
January 11, 2018 - 7:32 pm
I don't...I tried poking around v2.2 and v3 online for their CIRs under the preferred parking and parking capacity credits and didn't see anything related. I can't even pinpoint when I figured out the exclusion allowed, since I've had so many Federal projects over the last decade. I'm sure I would have saved it when I first found it, but who knows when I discovered it. Maybe it's one of those things where someone else figured it out on their project and just informed me of it...if I come across it, I'll post the link. Please do the same if you do.
Dionisio Franca
DirectorWoonerf Inc.
30 thumbs up
January 11, 2018 - 7:57 pm
Hello everyone,
In pictures 2 and 3 of the reference guide (pages 129 and 130 on my pdf reference guide), the disabled car spaces are not included in the "minimum preferred spaces required". it is my opinion that police vehicles should be excluded of the parking spaces as disabled car spaces are.
emily reese moody
Sustainability Director, Certifications & ComplianceJacobs
LEEDuser Expert
476 thumbs up
January 11, 2018 - 8:03 pm
Dionisio, where do you see that the disabled parking spots are not included in the calcs? It is my experience that those spaces must be part of the total parking count, and usually occupy the most preferred locations, but any preferred spots allocated for LEED must be in the next best/closest locations. The site graphic shown on 129 matches my description where the 17 green spots closest to the entrance are the preferred spots for green vehicles and the 7 further away are for the EV charging stations (which are not required to be in preferred locations, though they can be if you so choose).
Dionisio Franca
DirectorWoonerf Inc.
30 thumbs up
January 11, 2018 - 9:09 pm
Hi Emily,
I stand corrected. I never stopped to count the parking spaces on the pictures before. Thank you.