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NC-v4 EAp2:Minimum energy performance

Baseline heating source where no fossil fuel is provided to building

Hi,

We are modeling a 47,000 sf 2 story office bldg in climate zone 3C. The baseline is system 5 w/ fossil fuel heat. This project will not have any fossil fuel onsite. It looks like the system should now switch to system 6 with an electric heating baseline but I cannot find the reference for this exception when no fossil fuel is available to the building. 

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Fri, 03/06/2026 - 21:02

Whether fossil fuels are available to the building is not an issue. The selection of the appropriate baseline system is based on the heating fuel source in the proposed design. If it is electric then you use system 6. 

Mon, 03/09/2026 - 17:51

Marcus,thank you for the prompt response.Kevin

Wed, 03/18/2026 - 20:02

Marcus,I now have a better understanding of where I stand with regards to the 90.1-2010 and 90.1-2016 standards and LEED energy modeling. I have a situation that I am hoping to get a resolution on.We are completing an energy model for a post March 2024 registered LEED BDC New Construction v4.0 project. We created an energy model in a ASHRAE 90.1-2016 compliant software program. We belatedly realized that we should have selected a ASHRAE 90.1-2010 compliant software program.Are we allowed to use the ASHRAE 90.1-2016 energy model and output to provide reporting for energy and greenhouse gas under the ASHRAE 90.1-2010 approach using the v4_Minimum_Energy_Performance_Calculator-v07 (2024 update).xlsm spreadsheet? Natural gas is not available to the building. The ASHRAE 90.1-2016 provides guidance to use propane instead for the baseline heating system. I assume that we should follow this rule in reporting the baseline energy usage?Thank you.Kevin

Wed, 03/18/2026 - 20:30

You can upgrade the credit to v4.1 which uses 90.1-2016 as the baseline.

Wed, 03/18/2026 - 21:12

Thank you. I have evaluated the results of our 90.1-2016 energy model in the 4.1 MEPC with propane as the baseline for buildings with no natural gas per 90.1-2016 rules and I am finding that the 90.1-2016 energy model does very poorly. That is why I was planning to evaluate it under the v4.0 MEPC instead.

Wed, 03/18/2026 - 22:29

For v4.0 you can use 90.1-2010 or 2013 as the baseline. I believe that if you want to use 90.1-2016 you have to upgrade the credit to v4.1.I am not sure what you mean when you say 90.1-2016 compliant software? Does that mean the version of the modeling software you have can only auto-create a 2016 baseline? 

Thu, 03/19/2026 - 22:45

We have some software that has a limited access to ASHRAE baselines and it is not easy to switch between them.Though thank you for reminding me to look at ASHRAE 90.1-2013. We have a version of the energy model in the software with an ASHRAE 90.1-2013 baseline. I confirmed that footnote 2 under table G3.1.1-4 does allow the baseline to be electric when the proposed heating is electric based. 

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