If a project has been submitted for review (Design prelim and Construction prelim) comments are received for each review. Upon returning comments from the second review, will the corrections made to a credit in response to comments from the Construction prelim review (EAp2) not be reviewed unless an appeal is made?
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Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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May 4, 2015 - 3:10 pm
Each credit gets two reviews. A third typically requires an appeal.
A third review is possible if something changes in construction that affects a credit. However, you cannot use this third review to fix previously identified issues resulting from a final review. To fix those issues an appeal is required.
Johnathan Woodside
Mechanical EngineerGresham Smith & Partners
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May 4, 2015 - 3:21 pm
I guess my question is; does the second review include review of changes made as a result of comments made during the second review? In other words; Design prelim; Comments made by reviewer; Changes made/comment responses; submitted. Construction prelim; Comments made by reviewer; Changes made/comment responses; submitted- is this last set of information reviewed as a function of the second review, or does that require an appeal to review the corrections made from the third review?
Renee Shirey
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May 4, 2015 - 3:55 pm
I am little confused by the wording of the question, but I am taking a clue from the title of your original comment, and am going to take a stab at what I think you are asking.
If, after the Design Prelim review and the Design Final review is complete and a credit is Denied, how can it get re-reviewed if changes have been made?
1. If there has been a change in STRATEGY or DESIGN approach in reference to this credit, those changes can be submitted and reviewed with the Construction Prelim Review, as if it was a new credit. It will then get two rounds of review - Construction Prelim and Construction Final review, like all the other credits submitted in this phase.
2. If the changes are just CLARIFICATIONS or providing information that was missing from in the Design phase of reviews, then this would require an Appeal, since the strategy in achieveing the credit has NOT changed, you just want to add more information for the reviewers to consider.
3. I don't know if, during a Prelim review (Desigg or Construction) a credit can be outright Denied, honestly. If it is, you should still have the ability to make a response during the Construction Final Review. If it is Denied after that, then an Appeal is your only option.
It may be helpful if we knew which credit you are having issues with, it may help us answer your question because we may have had similar issues with a particular credit.
Hopefully this is what you were looking for.
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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May 4, 2015 - 4:03 pm
The second or final review of a prerequisite/credit is made in response by the reviewer to the project team's response to the reviewer's preliminary review comments. So the short answer I think is yes. In almost all cases a third review requires an appeal. If you submit one for a third review you should receive a review comment indicating that it has already received two reviews.
Here is how it works. Design prelim, comments, response, design final. At this point prerequisites/credits are anticipated or denied. Then Construction prelim, comments, response, construction final. At this juncture all prerequisites are either earned or denied. Any denied credit require an appeal. You can appeal after the design final for the design credits that were denied.
Under very limited circumstance you can get a third or another round of review for a credit but that is very rare.
Kumar Biplab
May 26, 2015 - 7:10 am
We have a project for which we received Constrcution Prelim comments. Can we withdraw some of these credits for the Contruction Final submission and submit them later during Constrcution Appeal Stage? Would we have to pay appeal fees for the credits that we withdraw?
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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May 28, 2015 - 4:43 pm
There is no construction appeal stage without having to pay extra for an appeal. If you withdraw these credits they will be denied in the construction final. You would then be required to appeal them.
Saud Abdul Rasheed
Sustainability/Energy Engineer, CEM, PMP, LEED AP BD+C, LEED AP O+M, Estidama PQP23 thumbs up
October 26, 2015 - 8:59 am
Hi Marcus,
Hope you are well. What about if we submit a new credit during Design Appeal stage? We received the final design review and got two credits denied. We are going to appeal for them after making corrections. Along with these two credits we are thinking to submit a new credit. Will this credit get a review or not? Are we required to pay appeal fees for it also as we will surely pay appeal fees for the other two credits?
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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October 26, 2015 - 11:47 am
You should wait and submit the new credit along with the construction preliminary submission. Appeal the two design credits now.
The reason you should wait is because if you submitted the new credit as an appeal it only gets one review. If you don't get it 100% right you may have to pay for a second appeal to get a second review. If you wait it will automatically get two reviews and you don't have to pay extra for an appeal.
Saud Abdul Rasheed
Sustainability/Energy Engineer, CEM, PMP, LEED AP BD+C, LEED AP O+M, Estidama PQP23 thumbs up
October 26, 2015 - 12:12 pm
Dear Marcus,
Thanks for your reply. You're always a great help. I have another question. While updating the documentation for the credit to be appealed I deleted some files and uploaded the revised files. Then I realized these files are linked to PIf4 and now they have been updated. All PI forms are approved and many credits related to them are anticipated also. So my question is would what I did affect the anticipated credits or not? Please note that there is not really a great difference in the drawings I uploaded. I uploaded site plan and I just revised low emitting & fuel efficient vehicles parking spaces and provided door mats on other plans.
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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October 26, 2015 - 12:22 pm
It should not affect the other credits. In your appeal narratives for the credits you are appealing you should make sure the reviewer knows where to look for the updated files if they are not uploaded within that particular credit.
Saud Abdul Rasheed
Sustainability/Energy Engineer, CEM, PMP, LEED AP BD+C, LEED AP O+M, Estidama PQP23 thumbs up
October 26, 2015 - 12:29 pm
Thank you again Marcus. I have mentioned in the narrative that we revised the drawings and uploaded them. I think the reviewer will check them anyway.
Arif Azfar Ahmad Sofian
August 14, 2019 - 11:32 pm
Hi, I chose Option 1 for a credit and was denied during Design Review. I am planning on change of strategy in choosing option to in Construction Prelim. Will that be consider as new credit or will that have to be appealed?
Also, is there anything that I should do to the awarded credit during Construction Prelim if there are no changes?
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
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August 15, 2019 - 3:24 pm
Each credit only gets two reviews, so this sounds like an appeal will be required.