Hi,
We have a campus master site occupying a city block. There are 7 podium floors with a hotel, condo towers and retail sprouting from them that are parsed into 3 separate LEED projects. (This approach was sanctioned in a call to the GBCI). We are delineating the LEED Project Boundary for each of the three projects according to metering and mechanical systems, in such a way that 100% of the campus area is within one or another of the 3 LEED Project Boundaries. IE, there is no area in the master site that is not within a LEED project boundary
The whole enchilada is being built by one contracting team, all at the same time, on top of a common, deep matt foundation. Maybe that makes it more of a lasagna. At any rate, there is no differentiation of materials costs, process or personnel as the concrete and steel is erected on site.
We understand that MRc4 & 5 are not eligible for a campus approach, yet there is no reasonable way separate the cost of the major construction materials separately, by building. Is there any precedent for processing these all together in some way? Should we take the aggregate costs and pro-rate them by percentage of floor area?
Has anyone come up with other ways to do it?
RETIRED
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December 2, 2015 - 10:32 am
Susan - You post some good questions! I don't know of an officially-sanctioned way. My first thought was an LI (ID #10265 - http://www.usgbc.org/leed-interpretations?keys=10265) related to MRc2 and using a gross floor area weighted average. Interestingly that LI says it is applicable to MRc4 for Core and Shell projects. Maybe this could be used a basis for precedent?
It wouldn't be fair to not get to count these valuable materials. So, unless another LEEDuser has any ideas, I'd suggest you propose a methodology to GBCI (since you've already talked to them about your complex project) and see if you can get it sanctioned. (And of course, let us know the outcome!)
Susan Walter
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December 2, 2015 - 9:39 am
Could you align the concrete pour and the steel erection with the division of materials by building? You'd have a monthly report in terms of the pay app for materials and the Architect should be there at least bimonthly and could photograph to confirm. If they did steel erection for one tower before moving onto tower two, you could capture that easily. The harder ones are when all three are under construction equally.
What if you took a MRc1 approach to dividing up the materials? A Revit model would make that easier. This may be an approach the GBCI would be more familiar with as the pilot credit for LCA used a similar approach.
Jon Clifford
LEED-AP BD+CGREENSQUARE
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December 3, 2015 - 7:56 am
I agree with Susan. Your contractor should be able to break out costs geographically by construction sequence. This is especially true of large projects with big-ticket rebar, concrete, and steel purchases. Most contracts that I have worked with have REQUIRED contractors to break down major items on their Schedules of Value into smaller, verifiable, units of work, often tied closely to the construction timeline. If it’s not too late, I’d make this a contract requirement.
Perhaps the bigger question is, why use the Master Site approach? If construction is concurrent and if each building pursues the same set of credits under the same Rating System, a Group Certification might be more appropriate. In a Group, the MR Credits are documented for the whole project, not building-by-building.
Robin Dukelow
Sustainability Consultant; Project ManagerHenderson Engineers and Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC
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April 20, 2016 - 6:34 pm
Hello, I have a similar situation where we will have a Master Site with 2 NC Projects. Has anyone found a clarification about how to prorate/allocate the site development materials across the MR Credits? - thank you!
Jon Clifford
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April 20, 2016 - 7:40 pm
Robin—As you probably know, the LEED Campus Guidance requires Master Site project teams to divide up the site and define a separate LEED Boundary for each separate project within the campus. The Campus Guidance then requires each “sub-project” to document the MR credits separately. Therefore, you must report the costs and sustainable characteristics of the materials within each boundary separately from one another in such a way that each cost tally includes ONLY those materials installed inside each respective boundary.
Like Michelle and Susan above, I know of no USGBC/GBCI-sanctioned way of estimating or prorating the breakdown, either by building area or by site area. (Imagine, if one site was mostly paved and the other was mostly planted, a weighted average would allocate plants to the paved site and paving to the planted site.)
The appropriate approach is to clearly delineate each LEED boundary on the site development drawings and work with your project specifiers, contract administrators, and construction managers to write provisions into the contract documents that REQUIRE the contractor(s) and subcontractors to report material costs separately for each site. This will provide the separate cost tallies required by the Campus Guidance, and it only requires slightly more effort than providing single line items for the entire Master Site. It would certainly be easier (and more defensible) than trying to estimate after-the-fact how much of each material went where.
Robin Dukelow
Sustainability Consultant; Project ManagerHenderson Engineers and Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC
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April 21, 2016 - 1:50 pm
This makes complete sense to me; thank you!!