There is a library project I'm working on which has a policy of no smoking within 100 feet from the entrance. The thing is it is next to neighboring business that are are within the 100 feet and required 25 feet boundary. How would I draw the non-smoking boundary line? Can i just shorten the boundary to the property line of the project before it crosses in into the other business? And even though LEED says "required 25 feet", would 100 feet be alright? I never read anything saying 25 feet was the maximum distance, hence why I'm asking.

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Summer Minchew

Managing Partner

Ecoimpact Consulting

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Fri, 12/08/2023 - 17:02

The requirement is to prohibit smoking within 25' of all entries, outdoor air intakes, and operable windows. There isn't no-smoking boundary line per say, it would be more of an external radius at each entry, outdoor air intake and operable window.

Edgar Arevalo

Energy Engineer

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Fri, 02/02/2024 - 20:40

Thank you, Summer. By the way, does it matter the type of signage is displayed at the entries of the building? I have a contractor who placed a paper sign behind the glass door of the main entrance, which clearly states that smoking is prohibited within 100 feet of all entries. This bother the architect because he specificed a metal placard non-smoking sign to be installed outside by the main entrance. We could wait for the new placard to be installed, but I feel the existing paper signage works too. Would the LEED reviewer have a problem with the paper signage even if it clearly states the non-smoking policy and boundary?

Kristen Fritsch

Sustainability Coordinator

Elkus Manfredi Architects

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Sat, 02/03/2024 - 19:51

The signage needs to be permanent. You can submit the shop drawings or arch drawings/specs of the placard that is on order and usually that is fine. You can share a photo of the temp signage as well so the reviewer can see that there is something in place until the final signage is completed.

Summer Minchew

Managing Partner

Ecoimpact Consulting

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Mon, 02/05/2024 - 16:04

I agree with Kristen. Paper signage is not a permanent signage solution. Also be sure to check the credit requirements, for LEED v4 "Signage must be posted within 10 feet (3 meters) of all building entrances indicating the no-smoking policy." In your comment above you are referring to exterior placard signage outside of the main entrance, the v4 requirement is that signage be posted at ALL building entrances.

Edgar Arevalo

Energy Engineer

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Mon, 02/05/2024 - 16:44

The paper sign is placed inside a flat plastic frame and attached by suction cups behind the glass door of the main entrance, the GC is making a case that that way can be considered permanent. I understand v4 requirments state all buiding entrances. But the other entrance belongs to a corridor owned by the base building, which has one door inside the corridor leading to the office area of the project space. So that wouldn't count as an entry to the actual project since it is not a direct entrance to the project space. There are no operable windows, all fixed in place, and no outside air intake. Which would make the main entrance to the library as the only direct entrance into the project space. But if you both agree that even still that paper signage and the way it's been installed is not enough, then I will ask the Architect for a copy of the signage placard detail to go along wiith the photo of the paper signage.

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