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Residential Exterior Trim

Hello All,

A group of us (three architects and a builder- sounds like there should be a joke here) were debating this and we  are stumped.

Application: Residential exterior trim.

50 year warrantied composite product of agricultural byproduct with PVC (EPD not published yet) vs 100 year (if primed on all sides and painted or stained then maintained painted every 10-12 years) cedar (on rainscreen, so built to dry out). Embodied energy in shipping is about the same- think - possibly cross-country.

How would you prioritize these attributes?

  • Do you put carbon capture higher? But both the tree and the agricultural by-product capture carbon.
  • By using agricultural by-product you're supporting farmers with added income, with the wood you're supporting forestry stewardship
  • Prioritize keeping Red List off (remember, this is exterior), so keep all PVC out?
  • Incentivizing industry for development of products that utilize what would otherwise be waste?
  • Durability? In which case you go with the cedar with its 100 year life span

I am leaning toward cedar, with a preference for FSC cedar. However I would be interested in your decision-making pathway.  Thank you!

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Wed, 09/28/2022 - 15:08

One thing not considered is end of life. A hybrid material using PVC likely won’t be able to be recycled, and PVC releases toxic chemicals throughout its lifespan, including disposal. And as a plastic, it’s going to persist for quite some time. I know it’s not always possible, but my personal belief is that we should limit new plastic where alternatives exist. I would also argue that regardless of the surface treatments for the wood, as we improve our sustainability efforts, each maintenance coat should hopefully be less harmful than the previous limiting the lifecycle impacts for use and upkeep. -Justin From:

Wed, 09/28/2022 - 16:09

Cedar, FSC if you can get it, is the easy choice here. PVC has a horrible life cycle, both through the production phases that tend to occur near low income/minority neighborhoods and end-of-life as Justin describes. I agree that we should do everything we can to discourage any further production of PVC. Mike Manzi RA, CCS, LEED BD+C Associate Principal he/him Bora Architecture & Interiors

Thu, 09/29/2022 - 11:57

I find that using the lens of the AIA Material Framework helpful in these types of decisions. If a material "scores" better across all 5 categories than it is a clear winner. This is an easy comparison due to the negative impacts of PVC on human and environmental health. Potential Scores by category: Agricultural by-product/ PVC trim:
Human Health (Is there an HPD- are there other harmful ingredients other than PVC?)
Climate Health (Unknown carbon impact)
Social Health and Equity (good story about re-use but end of life and toxic manufacturing process)
Ecosystem Health (PVC is an issue)
Circular Economy (Disposal is an issue- PVC is burned not recycled into new materials)

The cedar does not have any of these issues, so is the clear winner for me. 
If we want to get to a circular economy, composite products that have non-circular ingredients are an issue.  Alison Nash, Sasaki

Thu, 10/06/2022 - 18:26

Thanks so much everyone! Really appreciate your insights, and agree that cedar is the right choice for this residential trim application. All 4 of us were leaning in that direction but we were a bit swayed by the razzle dazzle of the product.  Turning the ship toward shutting off the plastics tap is a slow process.   Amy Sheehan Latva-Kokko, AIA, CPHD, LEED BD+C
Senior Project Manager

DSK | Dewing Schmid Kearns
ARCHITECTS + PLANNERS

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