According to ASHRAE 90.1, section 9.4.1.6 „g. Stairwell Lighting – Lighting in stairwells shall have one or more control devices to automaticcly reduce lighting power in any one controlled zone by at least 50% within 30min of all occupants leaving that controlled zone.” Can anyone tell me what is the definition of a controlled zone in a stairwell? Is it acceptable that the lightning is controlled automaticly but in the whole stairwell without dividing it into a few zones?
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Waleed AlGhamdi
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January 28, 2020 - 11:32 am
I'd imagine this means that the stairwell on each floor (or group of floors) will be controlled separately. So for a 10 story building, if someone is going from the 7th to the 8th floor, only those ones get turned on, and not the entire 10 floor stairwell when the occupancy sensor is triggered. That's how I'd interpret it. If you only have a 2-story building, then you likely only have 1 zone anyway.
Waleed AlGhamdi
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January 28, 2020 - 11:34 am
Note that 30 min is the max, many set that number to anything between 5 and 15 min to conserve energy.
Agnieszka Rylska
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January 29, 2020 - 4:44 am
Thank you Waleed for your reply. Do you know if there is any official definition of a controlled zone in a stairwell and if it is really required to conrtol lighting separately for each two floors? The problem is that my client prefers to turn the lighting on automaticcaly in the whole stairwell for safety reasons.
Marcus Sheffer
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January 29, 2020 - 9:40 am
Words and phrases with definitions in 90.1 are in italics. It does not appear that this phrase is explicitly defined. I would interpret the control zone as the lighting circuit being controlled. So I think you could have the entire stairwell as one control zone.
I agree with Waleed in that it makes sense to separately control portions of the stairwell in a way that allows only the part of the stairwell in use to be illuminated. I don't see this as any sort of safety issue since anytime someone enters the stairwell the lights would go on.
Waleed AlGhamdi
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January 29, 2020 - 8:14 pm
@Agata, perhaps you should explain to the client that this is a “bi-level” control where lighting is never really off. Its “off” position is at 50% lighting output for safety reasons, and when triggered by an occupant it’s raised to 100% output. I’m not sure I see how controlling the entire stairwell will improve safety.
Back to the other question, seems like there’s no clarity on the issue of controlled zone. I checked the 90.1 User Manual and they explained all the previous items in the section except this one.
Richard Ridge
April 1, 2020 - 11:34 am
I would like to install this kind of lighting, where can I find more details about it?
Waleed AlGhamdi
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April 1, 2020 - 12:44 pm
@Richard, a simple web search should return many options. This short study explains what to expect from implementing them https://www.lrc.rpi.edu/programs/DELTA/pdf/DELTAMultiFamilyCorridors.pdf
Jamy Bacchus
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October 7, 2020 - 11:02 am
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October 7, 2020 - 3:59 pm
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Sara BENLOUBA
Green building managerConfidential
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October 12, 2022 - 6:21 am
Bonjour à tous, Bonjour Waleed,
Pourriez-vous me dire si cette exigence de l’ASHRAE s’applique également aux cages d’escalier de sortie / cages d’escalier d’urgence? les cages d’escalier d’urgence doivent rester allumées tout le temps ON à 50 % de leur capacité d’éclairage?
Merci beaucoup
Sara BENLOUBA
Green building managerConfidential
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October 12, 2022 - 6:21 am
Hello everyone, Hello Waleed,
Could you tell me if this ASHRAE requirement also applies to egress stairwells/ emergency stairwells? emergency stairwells must stay on all the time ON at 50 % of them lighting capacity?
Thanks a lot
Marcus Sheffer
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October 12, 2022 - 10:46 am
Yes it applies to all stairwells.
It says that the lighting must be reduced by at least 50% so that does not mean they must stay on all the time. You can turn them off when unoccupied as well according to this provision.
Sara BENLOUBA
Green building managerConfidential
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October 12, 2022 - 11:02 am
Thank you very much Marcus, So if I put a presence detector/occupant sensor, is that enough? no need then to put a dimmable DALI lighting which in order to reduce the power to 50%? For our project of 45 floors, it seems to us that the dimmable lighting in the stairwells costs us a fortune, that's why we are looking for the most economical and easy way.
I will appreciate your return,
Marcus Sheffer
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October 12, 2022 - 11:15 am
Yes occupancy sensors for at least 50% of the light fixutres would be acceptable.