Thanks for all the awesome insights into the new platform. Very helpful. But I am very confused about the v06 forms. I see that new version in my LEED 2009 project with EQcr4.1 not requiring any uploads. But in my LEED v4 project, the low emitting form is a V01 from 2012 and requires 100% backup. This is true of the MR credit form also. I don't see anything in sample forms more recent.
So why would the v4 forms go from 20% backup to 100% backup while the new streamlined to match v4 LEED 2009 forms go from 20% backup to 0 backup?
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July 7, 2016 - 12:32 pm
Michelle - Thanks for your thoughts. Unfortunately I don't have an answer to your question but I did e-mail USGBC to ask if they could help with more detail on the differences between documentation requirements with LEED v4. (I was rather shocked to see all documentation backup removed for the v2009 MR material attribute and EQ low-emitting materials credits.) If USGBC doesn't post directly, as soon as I hear back, I'll post a response.
Also, this might be something to ask on July 20th's webinar Documentation tips for LEED v4 project teams.
Michelle Rosenberger
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July 10, 2016 - 1:12 pm
Thanks, Michelle. I guess I should just be scurrying to swap out v06 forms on my dozens of existing 2009 projects so that I can save myself the backup requirement, but like you I'm kind of shocked. I'll look for the follow up.
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July 14, 2016 - 6:12 pm
I haven't heard back from request to USGBC for a response to your post.
I wonder if posting a comment to the official USGBC article - http://www.usgbc.org/articles/new-forms-online-leed-2009-and-leed-v4-pro... - about these changes might get a more prompt answer?
Michelle Rosenberger
PartnerArchEcology
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July 14, 2016 - 6:32 pm
Thanks, I have done so. If I get a response, I'll post it here.
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November 23, 2016 - 12:15 pm
Michelle - I wanted to reference your dialogue via the comments section of the article New Forms Online for LEED 2009 and LEED v4 Projects - http://www.usgbc.org/articles/new-forms-online-leed-2009-and-leed-v4-pro... - so other LEEDusers have access to that information. Peggy Brock LEED Specialist at USGBC wrote to you: "The article is correct in general that the overall amount of documentation has been reduced but the MR and EQ uploads have not. Batya will edit her article to clarify that. For these specific EQ and MR uploads have not been reduced in v4. It makes sense to remove the cutsheets for LEED 2009 because we have confidence project teams understand the requirements and are selecting appropriate products."
You replied: "I just want to note that reducing overall documentation in v4 is not the same as reducing uploaded backup in LEED 2009. We are in the midst of v4 projects now and the documentation required has if anything increased overall. The forms may appear streamlined but the calculators, reports, maps, etc. needed to substantiate the credit are more intensive than before with just about every credit, not including the 100% backup for EQ and MR credits. There's a lot more time and effort involved as perhaps befits v4's rigor. But it should be acknowledged."