I am modeling a new building on a university campus following LEEDv4 Option 1, Whole Building Energy Simulation.
Heat Recovery Chillers are providing 44% of the cooling load of the building and the rest of the load is provided by campus chilled water.
Heat recovery from the chillers is the primary heating source for the building with campus steam providing what cannot be met by heat recovery.
Which path from the LEEDv4 Reference Guide for District Energy Systems should be followed for HVAC systems that use campus systems for partial loads?
How is the ASHRAE 2010 Appendix G baseline modeled when the proposed model uses partial energy from a district energy system? Does the baseline model need to be modeled with 44% on-site equipment with DES back up energy as well same as the proposed model?
Thanks!
Marcus Sheffer
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July 7, 2017 - 11:57 am
You would only model the campus sources according the the DES. You can use either DES option to model them.
The baseline is according to G3.1.1 and the DES guidance. Since the primary heat source is heat recovery that sounds like other to me so use that column from G3.1.1A. If you use DES Option 1 then the campus systems are purchased energy, if Option 2 then model the baseline as described there. If there is some sort of conflict in the baseline system choice then ask again with more specifics.
Jess Scanlon
Building Performance EngineerPAE Engineers
July 10, 2017 - 2:33 pm
If the campus system is only picking up peak loads and is not the primary fuel source, do I still model the baseline and proposed as if the campus system was the primary and only fuel source?
Marcus Sheffer
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July 10, 2017 - 2:32 pm
No but it is a fuel source which is likely from fossil fuels. The question is whether your system is electric/other or fossil fuel/hybrid. After thinking this through some more I think it is hybrid assuming the fuel source for the district steam is a fossil fuel.
I considered splitting the systems and having separate baseline systems but there is no justification for that in Appendix G or the DES.
I also considered whether it would be electric/other but since there are fossil fuels contributing to the heating it becomes hybrid. I also think it is not fair to be comparing the system you describe to electric resistance heat in terms of a reasonable accounting for the savings.
Harshana Thimmanna
Energy AnalystSmithGroup
February 25, 2019 - 6:41 pm
I have a similar question; the 135000 SF building is served partially by HRC and is supplemented by campus CHW. The HRC is sized at 250 TONS to take care of heating load, the overall building load is estimated to be 450 TONS. Looking more into the details, the campus CHW supplements the building cooling 1065 hours in a year, accounting for 12% of the total cooling Tonnage. HRC capacity is enough to take care of the building cooling load rest of the time (7695 hrs). When there is no cooling demand for the building, the HRC feeds back the campus. The estimated cooling tons back to the campus is a total of 850,000 TONS. Vs the 100,550 total tons supplemented by the Campus CHW to take care of this building peak cooling load.
Marcus Sheffer
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March 8, 2019 - 12:25 pm
1. System 6 sounds right. If it was added as an addendum then you could use it, if not then you can't. You can use all of 2013 if that is your local code requirement and apply the adjusted point scale (LI #10481).
2. You do need to use the DES guidelines for the Proposed Case. Our guess is that the baseline would be the electric system 6 unmodified.
3. Not sure why you are including the campus boilers if the HRC provides all of the building's heating? But yes the baseline is per App G.
Elizabeth LeRiche
February 7, 2024 - 1:47 pm
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Elizabeth LeRiche
February 7, 2024 - 1:57 pm
Hi,
I have a similar situation where my project is using chilled water from a central plant for the majority of the project but is also adding a chiller as the central plant doesn't have enough capacity for the entire building. I am modeling the district energy using Path 1, but am not super clear on how to create the Appendix G baseline.
You mentioned above "I considered splitting the systems and having separate baseline systems but there is no justification for that in Appendix G or the DES" which makes it sound like I should not add a chiller to the baseline as I have modeled in the proposed. So my question is:
1. Since the district energy system is the primary chilled water source for the proposed, is it the total chilled water source for the baseline? Should I follow G3.1.1.3.2 Purchase Chilled Water and have all the chilled water in the baseline served by a district energy system?
Tyler Thumma
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April 5, 2024 - 11:43 am
I would suggest modeling both a purchased chilled water plant and an on-site chiller plant in the Baseline, sized according to the same proportions that each of those plants meets the loads in the Proposed Case.