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CI-2009 MRc7:Certified Wood

FSC wood, but not FSC shop. Buy FSC anyway?

We are pursuing MRc7 on a project that I am working on, but the millwork shop does not have a COC certification. We should be able to achieve the credit anyway with the other wood on the project, but the client has asked us to purchase FSC wood for the millwork anyway, knowing that it won't count towards the final FSC percentages for the credit. They just feel that this is the right thing to do. What are your thoughts on doing this? Does it really behoove us to buy the FSC when it won't count for us anyway? That is the contractor's view and keeps fighting us on this particular item. He doesn't want to provide the COC for the materials if it doesn't matter anyway, I think.

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Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:15

Hi Valerie, If your woodworker is an architectural woodworker, then you can certainly use certain 'wood' items, like veneers and cleats (used to hang cabinets) and declare it as FSC. He needs to provide you with the CoC for the veneer house and lumber yard where he purchased the veneer/lumber and also all the invoices. Remember you will need your woodworker to submit ALL of his virgin wood invoices to you (plywood, solid base etc) anyway. Just make sure two things (1) that the veneer is not FSC controlled and (2) that the invoices specifically say the job name to show that it was specific for this project. If they are not FSC certified stock material will not work. One of the reasons the GC is fighting you on this is because of costs. FSC does impact cost. Hope this helps.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:44

Maory, Below is some info I copied from a previous response here. The woodworking shop on a LEED job must have a shop certification to work with FSC and have it count. Just because we use FSC material, doesnt mean it automatically counts towards the credit. We are aware of the additional cost this poses the job, and the client agreed to it and the contractor added it to the scope. The cost should be a non-issue as it was covered early on. Here is the info on FSC wood and the shop who handles it for a project: The USGBC has published addenda to NC V2.2 and the certified wood credit based on the LEED 2009 BD+C Reference Guide. The fabricator would Need to be FSC Certified and be part of the COC chain. They have substantially handled and modified an FSC product without being the 'End-User' (to be technical, the fabricator/vendor is someone who breaks the bands on a bundle of FSC plywood, cut the plywood, fabricate cabinets from and then sell it. )The installer or end user, however, does not need to have an FSC COC as they are not modifying the raw materials in any way.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 16:01

I am aware of the above statement, my suggestion has come from several conversations with the council. For instance, blocking is sent to the field to be field cut by installer just for fitting purposes. This was the example given to me . I was giving you a suggestion that was given to me. Hopefully someone can give you a better suggestion.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 16:12

Ok, I guess I misunderstood your initial response. Sorry if so. We are using FSC for everything else, and the blocking would count, I am aware of that. I was specifically asking about the millwork and its fabrication. The substrate, for example, comes in FSC and non FSC versions. The contractor submitted the Non-FSC version of the substrate-- even though it wont count towards our final totals because a non FSC shop is modifying it, the client still wants to buy it as FSC. The contractor is being lax about the COC of the material and I was curious as to thoughts on this, if we should insist on it. Thanks.

Tue, 04/10/2012 - 22:32

Valerie,Since green building is not all about LEED points I commend your owner for insisting on FSC wood even when it won't count towards ceritifcation! That said, since it's at the owners request, I would probably insist on the documentation even though it won't be used for LEED certification.

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