To earn this credit all we submit is the plan which basically says we're going to recalibrate and we'll deal with any problems later, right? Is there any backcheck from GBCI on this? I know they can get the records if they want it, but I'm surprised that they don't require a report indicating what corrective action was taken. Is this planned for the future?
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Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
LEEDuser Expert
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April 28, 2011 - 12:47 pm
Yep just the M&V Plan for now. It is obviously dishonest at best to submit a plan with no intentions of implementing it, but there is no current requirement to submit the results of its implementation.
The next version of LEED requires that executed contracts are in place to implement the plan.
Todd LaFreniere
Project ManagerFPI Mechanical
33 thumbs up
March 21, 2012 - 8:07 am
Follow-Up question - How is the column titled "Metered Energy Use" in the table on the top of the form completed without results?
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
LEEDuser Expert
5907 thumbs up
March 21, 2012 - 8:58 am
Are you referring to the credit form? If not could you be more specific about which form you are referring to?
Todd LaFreniere
Project ManagerFPI Mechanical
33 thumbs up
March 21, 2012 - 9:04 am
Yes I am referring to the credit form. The Metered Energy Use column totals the metered energy use and the Percent metered end-use energy use - without an input in this column the form does not show Points Documented under the Summary section.
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
LEEDuser Expert
5907 thumbs up
March 21, 2012 - 10:12 am
Sorry Todd I am just not seeing what you are seeing. Both v3 and v4 of the credit form for this NC credit do not include a table at all for any of the options so I am confused. Are you sure you are posting under the right rating system and credit?
Todd LaFreniere
Project ManagerFPI Mechanical
33 thumbs up
March 21, 2012 - 10:20 am
Marcus - The project is registered under NC 2009. In the lower right corner of the form it says Version 0.2.3 Is it possible I'm using an outdated form? i had that on another credit. Thanks for your help!
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
LEEDuser Expert
5907 thumbs up
March 21, 2012 - 10:57 am
Yes those forms are the BETA forms. The newer versions don't even ask for this information. You can request a form upgrade through the feedback button in LEED Online v3. Include the specific prerequisite / credit form, project number, project name, and rating system when requesting an upgrade. Alternatively, the updated form may be downloaded via the Sample Forms Download link within LEED Online and uploaded to this credit.
The only issue to be aware of when requesting the form upgrade is if the form gets information from other forms then that functionality can be lost and you can have major headaches trying to get the forms to work in LEED Online. It does not appear that v3 or v4 of the form for this credit would cause any problems but the safest way may be to download the new form, fill it out and upload it.
Todd LaFreniere
Project ManagerFPI Mechanical
33 thumbs up
March 21, 2012 - 11:04 am
I'll take the safe route - thanks again for your help!!
Ralph Bicknese
PrincipalHellmuth & Bicknese Architects
21 thumbs up
September 17, 2018 - 1:30 pm
Any confirmation on if "LEED requires that executed contracts are in place to implement the plan"? I've heard the USGBC has recently started requiring that the owner actually engage the M&V provider and submit the contract for that service as part of the submission.
Marcus Sheffer
LEED Fellow7group / Energy Opportunities
LEEDuser Expert
5907 thumbs up
September 17, 2018 - 2:27 pm
Personally I think they should do so but no there is no requirement to submit a contract in v3. This credit is v4 changed dramatically and no longer really exists. When I commented on the contract being required in the next version of LEED back in 2011 I was commenting on the development of the credit at that time, which then changed to eliminate the Plan altogether.
Ralph Bicknese
PrincipalHellmuth & Bicknese Architects
21 thumbs up
September 17, 2018 - 3:25 pm
Thank you Marcus. Much appreciated!