Using the logic from the previous posts below on water closets, flushmeters and bowls etc, one might draw a conclusion that the GBCI has a similar response/position for urinals that are NOT complete systems and have a flushmeter and a bowl. There ARE water flushing urinals that are complete systems and those can also be watersense labeled. It is also clear that both flushmeters and bowls for urinals can now be water sense labeled - and we should encourage usage of those systems whenever possible.
However...I just received the following comment on review of documentation of a flushmeter and bowl urinal system.
"Provide confirmation that all newly installed urinals that are eligible for labeling are WaterSense labeled (or a local equivalent for projects outside the U.S.)" -- GBCI reviewer comment
Has anyone else received similar comments when using flushmeter/bowl urinals and what is the resolution? Just the bowl...the flushmeter...both - need to be watersense.
OR...
Is my response simply....flushmeter and bowl urinal systems are not technically watersense labeled together? therefore...all ELIGIBLE urinals...are watersense labeled or simply don't exist.
emily reese moody
Sustainability Director, Certifications & ComplianceJacobs
LEEDuser Expert
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January 31, 2018 - 10:15 pm
Hi Landry,
I have received a similar comment, though in our case, it was b/c we forgot to upload the urinal cutsheet entirely. The urinal we used happened to have two separate sheets, one for the fixture, and one for the flush valve, and both items had the Watersense label. I'm assuming that's not the same issue you're having, though. I have also seen comments similar to this come up on various credits where the reviewers seem to be asking for something that they either completely missed (but was provided), or they saw, but want a second confirmation confirming what they saw (I have personal feelings about this type of comment, but I'll save that for other discussions). Looks like the latter might be similar to your case here?
Regardless, from what I can gather on the Watersense website, the criteria for both urinal fixtures and flushing devices (individually) was published back in '09. LEED language seems to me to imply that it should be both components, as both are, independently, eligible for certification. I would therefore err on the side of caution and assume worst case, that they expect both to have certification.
If it were my project, I would probably contact GBCI via the feedback button on the LEED website and ask for clarification to be safe.
Summer Minchew
Managing PartnerEcoimpact Consulting
LEEDuser Expert
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July 22, 2020 - 7:38 am
Possible game changer. I asked a similar question of my LEED Coach and here was their response: "The WaterSense requirement is applicable to fixtures that were eligible for the WaterSense label when the applicable LEED rating system was published. For LEED v4 projects, neither flushometer valves nor toilet bowls are required to have a WaterSense label. For LEED v4.1 projects, both flushometer valves and toilet bowls are required to have a WaterSense label. For both LEED v4 and LEED v4.1, tank-style toilets must have a WaterSense label." I would suggest writing a narrative if your team is going this route of exemption to avoid reviewer confusion as to which fixtures are required to be labeled based on your project's rating system.
Sara BENLOUBA
Green building managerConfidential
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November 20, 2020 - 9:55 am
Hello Everyone,
We receive a data sheet from a manufacturer of a shower head but we do not know how to know if the flow rate meets the prerequisite,LEED or not, because the manufacturer did not clearly write the flow rate but they provided a curve of flow rate according to pressure (He gave the flow rates that correspond to pressures between 1 bar and 3 bars), while LEED specifies the flow rates that correspond to the pressure of 415 KPA / 4.15 Bar. What can I do knowing that the manufacturer does not give any flow value for 4.15 Bar ?