When demonstrating ASHRAE 62.1 compliance for VAV systems, what is the best approach to simulate worst case system conditions expected during normal ventilation operations?
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Julia Weatherby
PresidentWeatherby Design & Co. Engineers
94 thumbs up
August 24, 2011 - 10:14 am
"Worst case" to me means all VAV zone dampers at minimum position. Is there some alternative?
Julia Weatherby
PresidentWeatherby Design & Co. Engineers
94 thumbs up
August 24, 2011 - 10:16 am
I suppose you could make a case in certain spaces that the zone damper would not be at minimum when the space is fully occupied due to the heat gain from the people. I would explore that avenue if some spaces were troublesome at minimum damper position.
David Hubka
Director of OperationsTranswestern Sustainability Services
527 thumbs up
August 24, 2011 - 4:43 pm
Thanks for the response Julia.
Here is the issue I am having a problem with:
The LEED reference guide states that the VAV system must be set to worst case conditions. If the measured outside air rate during worst case conditions can not meet the ASHRAE 62.1 specified rate then Case 2 must be checked on the LEED Online template. The LEED reviewer has asked me to me to provide a summary of air measurements taken at maximum flow conditions. (this request also appears on the LEED template)
So which is it???
Take measurements at worst case conditions or maximum flow conditions?
Another LEED reviewer on a different project asked the following: provide technical evidence confirming that this limitation is true for all system operating conditions.
Of course it's not true during all operating conditions!
Only during worst case conditions!!
Any direction is greatly appreciated.
Dan Ackerstein
PrincipalAckerstein Sustainability, LLC
LEEDuser Expert
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September 1, 2011 - 4:16 pm
David - leaving the confusing (and varied) review comments aside, I think the critical terminology is 'worst case' under 'normal operating conditions'. So as I read it, that means the dampers at the minimum position they would be set for a given occupancy. In some instances, occupancy will be relatively fixed and its simply minimum damper settings. But for many systems, there is interplay between occupancy and damper settings (as Julia references in talking about heat gain). So worst case normal is a bit of a moving target that has to consider both variables in dampers and in occupancy. As for maximums, I'm pretty sure the template doesn't ask for measured airflows at maximum flow - it may ask for the design maximums but the only measurements required are the worst case normal we were talking about. Measuring maximum flow doesn't really tell anybody anything useful, unless the question is determining the ability of the system to deliver ASHRAE ventilation (making the ASHRAE vs 10cfm/person distinction).
And I suspect the second reviewer comment was simply confirming that what you said was worst case normal really was 'worst case'. Its possible that the OA rates were so high as to make the reviewer wonder if that was really worst case. Perhaps not the most direct way to ask that question, but that's my theory.
Hope this helps a little - I suspect other folks may have more technically savvy insights. . .
Dan
David Hubka
Director of OperationsTranswestern Sustainability Services
527 thumbs up
September 3, 2011 - 9:57 am
Thanks Dan. That helps.
Moving forward I will instruct the TAB contractor to put the system into worst case condition (i.e. VAV dampers set to minimum positions + highest expected occupancy at that moment in time) when taking the outdoor air measurement. Compare the outdoor air measurement with my ASHRAE 62.1-2007 calculation. If the referenced standard can not be met we'll follow Case 2, 10 cfm/occupant.
Thanks again!
Raphael Sperry
Simon & Associates, Inc. Green Building Sonsultants49 thumbs up
September 7, 2011 - 6:57 pm
To build on what Dan said, "worst case normal operating conditions" are typically encountered on peak heating days (for which you can also use the design heating day). In that case, recirculation is maximized to limit heat loss, so outside air damper position is minimized, while VAV boxes are typically also minimized. (Peak cooling day is not quite as extreme since usually more air is delivered to offset zone heat gains, meaning VAV boxes would be slightly more open.) So I would recommend simulating the peak cooling day for the air testing.
Allen Doyle
Sustainability ManagerUniversity California Davis
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April 8, 2013 - 2:40 pm
Worst case normal shouldn't be crowded and cold.
For critical zones where design occupancy is <20 SF per person, I think the room will always be in cooling mode when fully occupied, so heating mode is not "normal" when most crowded.
This changes several factors in AHU set-up in MZ 62, notably the air distribution factor "CSCRH", which gives a distribution to the breathing zone of only 0.8. In cooling distribution should be 1.0, thus calculating 25% more OA.
Does this make sense, and would it be plausible to a reviewer?
We are not up against this, but seeing how the calculator works, I see this as an issue, and a way to save energy while keeping people comfortable and meeting IAQp1. I have asked engineers what a cut off is for crowding and cooling, and none venture to guess so far.
Ben Stanley
Senior Sustainability ManagerWSP - Built Ecology
LEEDuser Expert
250 thumbs up
April 8, 2013 - 4:25 pm
Table 6.2 from the standard outlines the parameters for assigning the zone air distribution effectiveness (Ez) for a given system. For ceiling supplied ceiling return systems that provide warm air, assigning a factor of 1.0 or 0.8 depends on the temperature of the supply air and velocity of the supply air.
Ceiling supply systems that only supply cool air will always have an Ez factor of 1.0.