Hi folks,
SSc5 - Heat Island Reduction
Core & Shell V4
Working on an office project with occupiable roofs on floors 3 – 8. Each outdoor patio consists of green roof and pavers. The pavers are set up on a pedestal system – below the pedestal system we hold water as a blue roof – all of that sitting upon “the roof” (insulation, weather barrier, deck, etc).
I’m trying to figure out what would be considered roof versus nonroof measure here in regard to the pavers. I’ve read up on a lot of the discussion on the forums though I haven’t seen something specifically addressing this in v4 (though I could be missing something).
In looking at the Option 1 equation for nonroof & roof: from previous posts I gather that the planted portions of the roofs are just that – “vegetated roof”. While the walkable paving that goes around the gardens would be considered “high reflectance roof” since it is the highest layer to the sky (these terraces all sit above conditioned space on the floor below).
However, I’m getting some pushback from the team wondering why the pavers above the blue roof wouldn’t be considered “nonroof” measures. The pavers sit upon what you could consider actual “roof” functions and the question has come up – “we can consider them nonroof when the pavers are on the ground level, why wouldn’t we also consider these same pavers on a pedestal system nonroof? Just b/c they’re up a higher?”. I do see some merit in that question so I wanted to put it to you all and see if we could drum up some consensus.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom
Summer Minchew
Managing PartnerEcoimpact Consulting
LEEDuser Expert
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September 14, 2018 - 2:15 pm
I would consider the pavers as you describe to be "roof" in LEED v4. I have projects with very similar conditions and from what I understand GBCI is looking to differentiate the location of product installation not the product use. So that yes, you might have a paver at ground level being considered "non roof" and the same paver on the roof being considered "roof" within your calculator.
Emily Purcell
Sustainable Design LeadCannonDesign
LEEDuser Expert
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September 14, 2018 - 2:40 pm
Agreed - the credit intent here is to mitigate heat island effect in the building and surrounding paved areas. The pavers may not be "roof" in terms of separating the building interior and exterior, but they are roof in terms of being the surface sunlight strikes.
Thomas Gibbons
ArchitectEskew Dumez Ripple Architects
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September 14, 2018 - 3:02 pm
Understood - and that was what I was thinking based on previous research. Just good to have a sanity check. Thanks!
Susan Di Giulio
Senior Project ManagerZinner Consultants
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March 17, 2021 - 8:52 pm
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Susan Di Giulio
Senior Project ManagerZinner Consultants
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March 17, 2021 - 8:51 pm
The deal is that on a roof, you are looking at keeping the occupied space cooler, as well as urban heat island effect. That's why in v4 you have to use SR values on the ground (emittance is irrelevant) and SRI on the roof (emittance is important there).
But to help you, LEED v4.1 explicitly states that the surface of usable roof areas can be considered as a non-roof paver for calculation purposes. Just switch up the credit.
Jan Chlubna
Green business specialistSkanska
March 3, 2023 - 12:09 pm
Hi Susan,
just to be sure with the v4.1 claime: have your verified, by submitting documentation with an usable roof area as a non-roof measure, that this interpretation is correct?
v4.1 says: "Roof area that consists of functional, usable spaces (such as helipads, recreation courts, and similar amenity areas) may meet the requirements of nonroof measures."
Does it really mean that you count with this part of roof as a nonroof measure in the equation? I'd like to do it that way but it might also mean that usable part of roof may meet nonroof requirements (SR instead SRI) but it must be counted as a high-reflectance roof anyway.
Our team is attempting this option for the first time and we're pretty unsure about the interpretation. Thanks for any help!
Jan