Urinals, All gender restrooms, and percentage calculations

This is a very interesting scenario, thanks for posting.

since there is one urinal, you should check the "urinals present in male restroom" box of the water calculator. 

my advice would be to select 20% of males are expected to use urinals (1/5 = 20%). 

it may not be exactly correct, but at least there is some logic and math behind the 20%. If 100% is selected then GBCI may question how a line would form in front of the urinal stall when toilet stalls are available.  

hope this helps!

Kristian, I'd recommend going with fully available (100%) if urinals are present in "all-male restrooms and all non-gender-neutral/ADA restrooms". It shouldn't be a secrete that urinal use is generally quicker than toilet use, so the users should certainly be able to access a urinal more than 20% of the time. While 100% may not be true, it is in line with the language of the credit/prereq., so take the 100%. However, I do recommend providing some visual/wayfinding indication of where the urinals are (like a shorter stall) if they are behind stalls, so users can best self-organize.  

I like your thinking. perhaps GBCI will allow 100% use with only (1) urinal.

sorry to be a downer on this one but lately i have been getting some really odd and bizarre comments from GBCI, so maybe prepare for a backup plan if they will not accept 100%. GBCI may note the language states urinalS, and not urinal. So 'one urinal' does not match the language. 

Good Luck!

This will be an interesting thread to watch and see how it turns out. Kristian, can you contact LEED Coach with your proposed path and get confirmation that it makes sense? I would have that going into review as support to avoid comments from the reviewers. I absolutely agree with David that all of my projects have also been coming back lately--especially just the last few months--with super nitpicky comments about things that really don't impact compliance or intent. Anything you can do to avoid those will help.

If I understand the setup (instead of two separate gender-specific typical restrooms with multiple stalls, there will be a single, shared grouping of individual, private stalls), then I agree that 100% of males will have access to a urinal and using that number makes sense...in theory, anyway.

Total side note: I'm really not a fan of shared lav areas for everyone. Restrooms should be a safe space for everyone, including areas to wash up, dispose of private things, fix appearances, and so on. With a shared area for that, it really makes people self-conscious of what they're doing. Can you image being a high schooler and trying to check your teeth for food, or tending to your makeup to cover a blemish, and having nowhere to do that in private? It's bad enough having to lose that privacy as an adult, but can you imagine being front-and-center with all your classmates? Females, especially, have a lot going on that really deserves privacy beyond just a toilet. I really, really hope that--at an absolute minimum--all of our clients are taking these things into consideration in these designs. There MUST be waste receptacles that keep contents out of sight inside every private stall for everyone's benefit, but especially females. The psychological aspect of these shared facilities is not getting the attention that it really should across the board. Adults forget all too easily how sacred and safe these spaces need to be, and sorry, guys, but dudes just don't understand all the various things that females have to deal with on the regular. Teens are just starting to deal with a lot of changes, adjustments, accidents...they're not seasoned pros. Especially in this era of everyone having phones and invasion of privacy, imagine the damage that will be done by some kid filming another one trying to make themselves look decent and putting it on blast just to humiliate; this will be tenfold for kids that are transitioning (transgender and other) and at their most fragile moments just trying to fit in.
I'm legit worried about this new design trend.

Sorry, pretty sure I'm the downer here now. Womp womp.

Based on that feedback from the students, the Inclusive Design pilot credit could be a good fit: https://www.usgbc.org/credits/new-construction-schools-new-construction-...

Step 1 is to engage the users on their design needs & preferences, and it sounds like this restroom would qualify for the "inclusive spaces" option. We earned this on a university project last year, and the owner was happy to get credit for something that was a real substantive effort on their part and not "point chasing." 

I'm so glad to see students getting a voice here. Our own memories are clouded and biased for all kinds of reasons whether we realize it or not. It's very interesting to hear what others are doing around this culture shift. I would love to see some case studies or similar around these discussions and the resulting designs.

Kristian, did you hear back from a LEED reviewer or LEED Coach on your question? Really interested to see how this is being reviewed as we are seeing a number of projects designing all gender washrooms.