is there a definition for transients versus retail?
We have a dining hall and aren't sure how to classify the students who enter the building for meals.
The definition for Transient users in the reference guide isn't helpful...
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NC-2009 WEp1: Water Use Reduction—20% Reduction
is there a definition for transients versus retail?
We have a dining hall and aren't sure how to classify the students who enter the building for meals.
The definition for Transient users in the reference guide isn't helpful...
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Charles Nepps
NH Green Consulting97 thumbs up
March 2, 2015 - 4:11 pm
Students using a dining hall would be considered "transients". You just need to estimate the number of total of "student hours" the hall is used and then divide by 8 hours per day to determine the FTE. So for example, 100 students spending an average of 2 hrs/day in the hall would come out to 25 FTE's
Kathryn West
LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Green Globes ProfessionalJLL
154 thumbs up
March 10, 2015 - 3:45 pm
that doesn't make sense to me... why would they have different categories in the form if you just convert them to FTE at the end of the day....
Charles Nepps
NH Green Consulting97 thumbs up
March 10, 2015 - 4:49 pm
It makes a difference as to how the water usage is calculated.
Per the Reference Guide (p171) "Most buildings with students, visitors, and retail customers will also have FTE occupants. Half of all students and visitors are assumed to use a flush fixture and a lavatory faucet in the building and are not expected to use a shower or kitchen sink. A fifth of retail customers are assumed to use a flush and a flow fixture in the building and no shower or kitchen sink."
Susan Walter
HDRLEEDuser Expert
1296 thumbs up
March 10, 2015 - 4:49 pm
Because there is more than one way to view something? Personally, I would not have used Charles' method although I do see it as valid. The transient population is variable and their behavior changes throughout the day. The form is allowing you to customize. For example, your students may not make use of the facilities at dinner because they've been to their dorms before hand but they may use them during lunch. If your lunch population is less than your dinner population, then you can adjust the water use in the form instead of making sweeping assumptions that may not be applicable to the individual project.
For the record, I would not have done things the way Charles does not because I feel he is wrong but because our projects have transients that have more predictable behavior which allows us to model more accurately. His way is completely valid.
Kathryn West
LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Green Globes ProfessionalJLL
154 thumbs up
March 10, 2015 - 5:02 pm
thanks guys!!! I am going to try to get more info from the owner to see how long these students are expected to dine in the building per day to make the usage as accurate as possible. I'm hoping they are more like retail than transients because our flow fixtures in a residential part of the building are about ~10% more efficient than our dining hall fixtures. I was confused by converting them to FTE in the form even though the math makes sense. I'd love to get this form approved on the first round of review.
It's also a little hard for us to estimate how many kitchen sink uses will occur in the dorms since the kitchens are very few and far between.