In India, substantial number of employees from project building travel through motorbikes generally having following specifications:
Engine: 100cc to 150cc, 4 stroke
Fuel Efficiency*: 60 Km/lt or 135 mpg
CO2 Emissions*: 45 g/Km
(* with slight variations depending on make and model)
These vehicles perform much better in terms of Fuel efficiency and Low Emissions Standards as compared to ACEEE Green Score-40 vehicles e.g.
Vehicle: Audi Coupe TT
Engine: 2000 cc
Fuel Efficiency: 12 Km/lt or 31.4 mpg
CO2 emissions: 156 g/Km
Can motorbikes be considered as Low-emitting and fuel efficient vehicles to meet the intent of the credit?
Kindly suggest
Dan Ackerstein
PrincipalAckerstein Sustainability, LLC
LEEDuser Expert
819 thumbs up
September 16, 2010 - 11:43 am
Its an interesting question that I think can only be reliably answered by the CIR process. As transportation options change and manufacturers develop new vehicle/engine combinations, I suspect these questions will continue to emerge. Historically, the problem with motorbikes has been tailpipe emissions (particulate matter and the like) rather than CO2, where they have a clear advantage. In many instances, the regulatory structure around tailpipe emissions for motorbikes is less stringent than that for cars as well. I know that 2 stroke engines are particularly vulnerable to this critique; I know less about the relative performance of 4 stroke engines in that regard. But if you feel there is a strong case to be made, a CIR that addresses all of the above issues is your best bet for confidence going forward.
Rick Gehrke
ConsultantA.C.E. AmBiental
37 thumbs up
September 16, 2010 - 3:32 pm
I've been directly told "no" by GBCI on the motorcycle question. In general, they do get better gas mileage than cars, but the emission controls are, in some cases, zero (even with some 4-stroke engines). Also, if you take passenger MPG into account, the mileage can be worse than cars.
Tanmay Tathagat
Environmental Design Solutions15 thumbs up
September 17, 2010 - 3:48 am
Thanks Dan, we may raise a CIR in case we do not find a clear response.
Thanks Rick, can you share the details of motorcycle, as proposed by you and if available, the fuel economy and emission standards followed?
Rick Gehrke
ConsultantA.C.E. AmBiental
37 thumbs up
September 17, 2010 - 11:54 am
Tanmay,
My question to GBCI wasn't in relation to any specific project, but was something I brought up in a discussion last time I was there. My guess is that a CIR is the way to go if you want to attempt credit for that approach, and that you would need to have a recognized LEV standard specific to motorcycles/motorbikes (e.g. California Air Resources Board (CARB) motorcycle emission standards), plus some way to demonstrate how all of these vehicles met the referenced standard.
Rob Watson
CEOECON Group
170 thumbs up
September 29, 2010 - 11:52 am
I did a CIR on electric scooters for TAIPEI 101 and it was rejected. I think the reviewers got it wrong on several levels (they told me that electricity was not an 'alternative fuel' ?! I will continue to pursue this point for other projects. Even though their CO2/passenger-mile is very good, I don't think that regular motorcycles or scooters can comply, simply because their criteria emissions are so high. However, if electric cars qualify, and they do, and the purpose of the credit is to reduce air and land impacts of automobile travel, then electric scooters and/or motorcycles should qualify, IMHO.
Rick Gehrke
ConsultantA.C.E. AmBiental
37 thumbs up
October 8, 2010 - 2:45 pm
I agree. Can't think of any reason electric scooters, Segways, or any electrically powered vehicles shouldn't count as AFV's when the functional difference between them and electric cars is basically the number of wheels.