Hello everyone!
We are having problems with the WEp1 water use reduction.
First our calculations were wrong, and now, we´ve realized that we need to reduce a lot of the water flow in the metering faucets.
We can buy water reducing valves to install in those metering faucets, which will reduce the water flow to a GPC of 0,1. In this way, we can achieve a 60% water use reduction.
I´d like to know if there is a limit of lower GPC that the USGBC allow us to use.
Does anyone have already had any issues with that?
Thanks.
Michelle Rosenberger
PartnerArchEcology
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April 23, 2013 - 3:01 pm
Hi Enrique,
You should be able to select Public Lavatory in fixture family and then Metering in fixture type. Once you do that the table changes that row to GPC instead of GPM. You need to upload your backup for that conversion. GPM rate x 12 sec / 60 = GPC. If you have a 0.5 gpm faucet, that means a 0.1 GPC.
That should be all you have to do. Revise the table, provide the GPC in the table per your conversion, upload your conversion calculation.
Water Use Reduction Additional Guidance document is very helpful.
Henrique Mendes
Mr.Green Domus | Desenvolvimento Sustentável
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April 24, 2013 - 11:49 am
Thank you very much Michelle.
I got it. Seems like it´s all right now. My only question is regarding a low GPC now. Do you know if there is a low limit of GPC for the metering faucets?
Thank you!
Michelle Rosenberger
PartnerArchEcology
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April 24, 2013 - 12:18 pm
Hi Enrique,
As far as I know, only with respect to not going lower than 12 sec in the duration for the calculation. Less than that is not considered enough for hand washing. You could have lower GPM than 0.5 though I don't usually see it where I am.
Henrique Mendes
Mr.Green Domus | Desenvolvimento Sustentável
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April 25, 2013 - 2:54 pm
Thank you Michelle, I have just one more question.
I´ll have to appeal for that prerequisite, but now sure how to do it.
I´ve already changed all the calculations and data. I´ve uploaded more documentation in the form, and clicked on the "Ready for Review" button.
But I can´t find where I could write to explain all the changes we made regarding their denial.
Is it necessary to write them, somewhere in the leedonline, with an explanation addressing the issues in the technical advice provided with the denial of the prerequisite?
Or shoul I just submit for review?
Thanks
Michelle Rosenberger
PartnerArchEcology
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April 25, 2013 - 3:05 pm
Hi Enrique,
We generally write a narrative for each review comment response that is part of the revised documents that we upload for each credit. In this narrative, we duplicate the comment and guidance, then we explain how we have addressed each and every point. We find that this makes it easier for reviewers to see that we have caught everything. So yes I would definitely provide a narrative explaining the changes you've made in response to the comments and upload that also before you submit for review.
Also FYI if you are simply responding to initial review comments and have not received your "final" review, this is not an Appeal. An Appeal would mean that you would be paying an additional review fee to submit information a third time for that specific credit only. Otherwise you are still just responding to comments.
Henrique Mendes
Mr.Green Domus | Desenvolvimento Sustentável
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April 25, 2013 - 3:13 pm
Thanks a Lot Michelle, I´ll try to go back and upload a narrative.
And regarding the review fase. It´s a final review. But it´s the first time they ask us about this prerequisite. I guess I´ll have to pay anyway.
Once again, thank you very much.
Michelle Rosenberger
PartnerArchEcology
523 thumbs up
April 25, 2013 - 3:24 pm
Hi Enrique,
My understanding is that it is inappropriate for a reviewer to "come up with" a comment in the final review that they did not flag in the initial review unless you have added a credit or changed your compliance path. If I were you, I would be asking about that.
Henrique Mendes
Mr.Green Domus | Desenvolvimento Sustentável
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April 25, 2013 - 3:36 pm
Michelle, that´s a really important issue.
That´s exactely what happened. This comment never came up during the project review, and it´s not a new credit, its a prerequisite.
The proper way to ask about that would be through a Formal Inquirie? Or sending then a message by LEED online?
i´m afraid to loose the 25 days period to ask for an appeal.
Michelle Rosenberger
PartnerArchEcology
523 thumbs up
April 25, 2013 - 3:55 pm
Enrique,
I sympathize. This is a tough area. I think that I would use Feedback and identify your issue as being related to review comments then make your case that this issue was not flagged during the initial review. Particularly with a Prerequisite, that is just brutal. It doesn't sound like you have a compliance problem, just a documentation issue. That is vastly different.
Both Feedback and Contact Us through the USGBC website can take some time, especially if it's not a simple answer. But you don't have a lot of choices when it comes to direct contact.
I have to admit that I'm a bit worried about the new membership levels and how they are attached to customer service and technical support. Moving forward large firms that are able to pay higher annual fees will get their questions answered in a guaranteed 24 or 48 hour period. Small guys will have to wait. This can obviously be a big deal if you can't get the answer you need in a timely fashion. Timely support has been an issue for them for a while. I guess I hoped they would handle it by improving their response times for everyone, not just for a favored corporate few.
Good luck.
Henrique Mendes
Mr.Green Domus | Desenvolvimento Sustentável
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April 25, 2013 - 3:59 pm
Dear Michelle,
I thank you very much, for all your attention with our issue. I´ll let you know how it ended.
Once again. Thank you!
Tiffany Moore
Built Environment ProfessionalBuilt Kansas City LLC
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April 25, 2013 - 4:37 pm
I have some experience with the feedback route and even requesting a review extension. I've been successful with both.
A recent project review required clarifications that we anticipated taking longer than 25 days due to the location of the project site. We made the request for an extension with a brief statement as to why and it was granted fairly quickly. The response seemed genuinly supportive of helping the project be successful and not strictly punative in their assessment of our request.
I also received a very prompt and clear reply to a feedback question recently and am cautiously optomistic that the new, more approachable, GBCI model will be successful.
Good luck!
Karen Joslin
principalJoslin Consulting
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April 25, 2013 - 4:44 pm
I'll chime in and just say that over the years many reviewers have "added" issues to comments in response to our clrificaitons, etc. There seems to be no way to fight this formally, but I agree that you should use the Feedback optio, or just email your Review Team directly and clearly state your rationale and concerns. We have had success calling things to their attention when they seem unfair - and without paying for the appeal process.
Henrique Mendes
Mr.Green Domus | Desenvolvimento Sustentável
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April 26, 2013 - 12:01 pm
Hi there, thank you all for sharing those rich experiences related to our issue.
It really helped a lot.
We´ve decided to appel for this prerequisite, but we´ll write them, using the feedback option.
I´ll let you know when we get their answer about all this.
Thank you once again. It was really very helpful!