You clearly and effectively summarized all the problems with the article. Maybe instead of writing my own piece, I'll just copy yours ;-))
Rob
Forum discussion
You clearly and effectively summarized all the problems with the article. Maybe instead of writing my own piece, I'll just copy yours ;-))
Rob
LEEDuser is supported by our premium members, not by advertisers.
Go premium forTo post a comment, you need to register for a LEEDuser Basic membership (free) or login to your existing profile.
David Scott
Attorney, LEED AP, BD+CLuper Neidenthal & Logan
5 thumbs up
December 12, 2012 - 10:23 am
Excellent commentary, Nadav. Quotes from the Ohio Facilities Construction Commission's retort to the article, and some additional commentary, are available at: http://ohiogreenbuildinglaw.com/2012/12/12/red-flag-against-the-blue-dot...
Kathryn West
LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Green Globes ProfessionalJLL
154 thumbs up
December 13, 2012 - 5:15 pm
go get 'em, Nadav!
Aron Weis
Energy ManagerArchitect of the Capitol - OSP
14 thumbs up
December 19, 2012 - 4:04 pm
Many people assume LEED should "outperform" and generate significant energy savings. The question being asked, perhaps indirectly, is about the financial return on LEED investments. While LEED is meant to do the right things and highlight those efforts, it would be good to financially quantify all LEED credits.
Now, since this is a free country and I see no libel, let that "newspaper" print all it wants. The only bigger joke than its "articles" and "journalists" are its circulation numbers.
J. Yudelson
PresidentGreen Building Initiative
14 thumbs up
December 19, 2012 - 6:33 pm
Perhaps the better question is WHY we don't have our own data? After all, there are hundreds of LEED certified schools (before LEED for Schools came along) and more than 10,000 buildings certified, so where are the data on energy and water performance? Seems to me "the best defense is a good offense" but unfortunately LEED advocates don't have the data at their disposal which they should have. Shouldn't this be a priority for USGBC?
David Scott
Attorney, LEED AP, BD+CLuper Neidenthal & Logan
5 thumbs up
December 20, 2012 - 9:05 am
Responding to comments from Jerry Yudelson and others regarding USGBC tracking the data on green schools (i.e., green buildings), Ohio has an extraordinary dataset in its nearly 300 LEED registered or certified schools. As discussed more fully at this link: (http://ohiogreenbuildinglaw.com/2012/12/12/red-flag-against-the-blue-dot...), USGBC is providing grant funding to the USGBC-Central Ohio Chapter (in partnership with research giant Battelle) to compile and scientifically evaluate the data on green school performance. Called the "Green Schools Compendium," this dataset will evaluate things such as first cost, lifecycle costs, student performance, and absenteeism in LEED v. traditional schools.
J. Yudelson
PresidentGreen Building Initiative
14 thumbs up
December 20, 2012 - 9:40 am
This is all well and good (and valuable), but much too complex and long-term for immediate needs, which are simply: how well are LEED buildings performing vs. their projected performance and vs. other non-LEED buildings. We don't need to spend $$$ with Battelle to get this information out for public analysis and comment. Statistical data is fine, but where is it???
David Scott
Attorney, LEED AP, BD+CLuper Neidenthal & Logan
5 thumbs up
December 28, 2012 - 9:04 am
Immediate data would be nice. But there are so many variables (e.g., different building types, project sites, occupant behavior, maintenance/upkeep, geographic location, etc.) that there's no quick & easy way to measure "LEED v. Traditional" building performance. Schools are an ideal measurement device b/c of standardized testing and common usage, and Ohio is a unique proving ground b/c of the sheer volume of LEED schools ... the scientists call this a "robust dataset" ... and we might not need Battelle, but if LEED survives the vigorous & objective scrutiny to which it will be put by one of the world's foremost research institutions, then it will be that much more difficult for the haters to keep hating.
Sherry Bonelli
LEED Project Manager/ConsultantBudSprout LLC -- SucceedAtLEED.com
15 thumbs up
December 29, 2012 - 11:27 pm
My hope would be that the USGBC has case studies to back up and support the case for LEED for Schools. Surely they have enough historic data at this point to site examples that show the benefits -- to the students, energy costs and the environment.
USA Today is not the only publication writing articles questioning the value of LEED certification. The best way to defend the LEED movement is to show solid data. That's the only way to prove a point.
Sherry