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NC-v4 EAp2:Minimum energy performance

Baseline system efficiency

Hello everyone, 

I am modeling a baseline system No. 6 - Packaged VAV with PFP boxes (ASHRAE 90.1-2010) and I would like to confirm some things:

 

1 - Efficiency for the baseline DX cooling coils is obtained from table 6.8.1A --> Air conditioners, Air cooled based on my autosized capacity, correct?

 

Moreover, according to G.3.1.1 exception (b) : "If the baseline HVAC system type is 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10 use separate single-zone systems conforming with the requirements of System 3 or System 4 (depending on building heating source) for any spaces that have occupancy or process loads or schedules that differ significantly from the rest of the building. Peak thermal loads that differ by 10 Btu/h⋅ft2 or more from the average of other spaces served by the system or schedules that differ by more than 40 equivalent fullload hours per week from other spaces served by the system are considered to differ significantly."

In my project I have 3 spaces that I believe that must follow this exception, namely a gymnasium, a cafeteria area and a server room, which I modeled in the baseline using a single system 4 – PSZ-HP for each (areas with very different schedules, occupation densities and loads). My questions are:

 

1 – Where do I get (on Table 6.8.1 ? ) the baseline efficiencies for these systems? I believe that for the server room I need to use table 6.8.1K but I do not understand the concept of “SCOP-127 efficiency”, as Energy plus only allows me to input a gross rated COP. And what about for the system serving the gym and cafeteria areas, wich section of table 6.8.1 should I use?

 

2 – I also would like to confirm that for system 4 we still calculate fan powers by using Pfan = bhp*746/motor eff and using the CAV formula (CFMs*0.00094+A).

 

Thank you in advance for your help.

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Tue, 09/03/2019 - 18:27

1. For a system 6 that is the correct table. 1. Air Conditioners, air cooled. You don't use the one for the server room in the baseline. 2. That looks right

Thu, 06/12/2025 - 09:31

Hi Marcus, For referring to System 4 baseline efficiency following ASHRAE 90.1 2010, Table 6.8.1D PTHP (cooling mode) standard size (as of 10/08/2012) is the correct table? The space is meant for cooling. Kindly help out in this.

Thu, 06/12/2025 - 15:58

For a System 4 you use Table 6.8.1B.

Fri, 06/13/2025 - 01:53

Hi Marcus, thankyou for the clarification. Hope its Air Cooled systems for baseline. I have another doubt here for baseline case. As per ASHRAE 90.1 2010 Appendix G clause G.3.1.1, "For systems 1,2, 3, and 4, each thermal block shall be modeled with its own HVAC system." 1. Does this mean if a floor has 20 odd HVAC zones, each zone has to have separate PSZ-HP systems modelled in baseline case?
2. Also, the "size category" in Table 6.8.1B will be based on cooling design capacity for each of the separate zones in a single floor? Thankyou and appreciate in advance for the help.

Fri, 06/13/2025 - 13:14

1. yes, these are packaged systems containing the airhandling unit and compressor, typically located on the building's roof. 2. Yes as auto-sized by your modeling software.

Mon, 06/16/2025 - 07:31

Hi Marcus, so if a building is having numerous small zones and each requiring autosized cooling capacity less than 65,000 Btu/hr, we need to model individual system 4 for each zone in the building with baseline system efficiency equivalent to 13 SEER (as per table 6.8.1B Air cooled(cooling mode)) ? The model becomes really bulky and seems to be a non realistic situation. Appreciate your guidance on this.

Mon, 06/16/2025 - 13:06

Never confuse the baseline requirements with the reality of what would get built, in other words don't design the baseline. Quite often the baseline requirements have you model something that would never work in the real world. That said make sure you are following the guidance in Table G3.1-7 Thermal Blocks. If your models are getting overly complicated you can apply the exception.

Wed, 06/25/2025 - 11:53

Hi Marcus, thanks for the clarification above. Just to have things all clear, System 4:PSZ HP have been modelled for each individual zone in conditioned space in baseline case. Hope the unconditioned zones in the floor need not have to be modelled with system 4 too?

Wed, 06/25/2025 - 12:03

You don't need to model unconditioned spaces as conditioned in the baseline.

Thu, 06/26/2025 - 07:47

Hi Marcus, we basically use designbuilder default baseline to model the ASHRAE 90.1 basecase. When we ae importing the baseline HVAC model, the system 4:PSZ HP is being modelled with heat recovery system and exhaust fan. Does system 4 consider these systems? Also, it considers the heating coil which we manually switch off as we dont simulate for both cooling and heating. I saw in one of your post to ignore the heating part when it never happens or to make the heating setpoint such that heating system never triggers on. Can you shed some light on the above 2 topics?

Fri, 06/27/2025 - 10:35

There is a slight error in typing the above. The baseline system 4 consist of return air fans, heat recovery system and economizer. While proposed design does not have any of these systems installed. So, do I consider these systems in baseline? Apologize for the typing error!

Thu, 07/03/2025 - 19:41

Whether heat recovery is in the baseline is a spearate calculation that is not necessarily a part of the baseline system assignment. See Section G3.1.2.11. Same for economizers, see G3.1.2.7. See G3.1.2.10 relative to baseline system fan power. It is quite possible that all of these are included in the baseline despite their absence in the proposed. 

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